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 Post subject: Naish bar shift system 2012 and older Torches
PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2012 6:37 pm 
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Is the naish bar shift system 2012 adjustable to Naish Torch 2010???

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Can I use naish bar shift system 2010 to Torch 2012??

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 Post subject: Re: Naish bar shift system 2012 and older Torches
PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2012 6:59 pm 
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Yes, all Shift bars will work with all Torch kites. At least as far back as 2008 or so. Anything older than that I'd probably stay away from.


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 Post subject: Re: Naish bar shift system 2012 and older Torches
PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2012 8:27 pm 
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Technically any 5 line bar (Naish or otherwise) will work with any year Torch as long as all 5 lines are the same length.

There are some subtleties (some sizes of Torches in some years like some degree of line tuning) but as a rule of thumb the above is true.

Coincidently I was using a 2010 bar on my 2012 Torch some of the time as I kind of liked the below the bar depower (I'm an old man that seldom unhooks)

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 Post subject: Re: Naish bar shift system 2012 and older Torches
PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2012 8:49 pm 
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ensor wrote:
Is the naish bar shift system 2012 adjustable to Naish Torch 2010???

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Can I use naish bar shift system 2010 to Torch 2012??

thanx


You should be fine. :-) Btw good choice in the 2012.... :-)

Flying a torch you should be able to adjust as you see fit..some like to have a little more or less pressure on the 5th line.

A.


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 Post subject: Re: Naish bar shift system 2012 and older Torches
PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2012 12:28 am 
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Technically any 5 line bar (Naish or otherwise) will work with any year Torch as long as all 5 lines are the same length.


Not true, only works properly with the Shift bar. I brought a North 2011 5th Element bar for mine and the kite did not fly well, spent alot of time adjusting line lengths etc. The kite did physically fly on the North bar but just not aswell as on the Shift. I did a back to back test with both bars and the difference was very obvious, on the North bar the kite was twitchy and the wing tips flared too much. It is down to the Y split being different on the 2 bars which affects the shape of the kite.

But to answer the original question all Torches will fly on any year Shift bar. Some years had different length pigtails at the kite so you will have to adjust the rear lines to suit depending on the kite, pretty sure its from 2009 onwards as my 2007 and 2008 use longer rear lines (by 1 knot) than my 2009 and 2010 Torch.


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 Post subject: Re: Naish bar shift system 2012 and older Torches
PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2012 7:42 am 
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Not true, only works properly with the Shift bar. I brought a North 2011 5th Element bar for mine and the kite did not fly well, spent alot of time adjusting line lengths etc. The kite did physically fly on the North bar but just not aswell as on the Shift. I did a back to back test with both bars and the difference was very obvious, on the North bar the kite was twitchy and the wing tips flared too much. It is down to the Y split being different on the 2 bars which affects the shape of the kite.


The difference in the Y is a matter of taste. I fly my torches without a Y and they ride great, actually I prefer no Y. Yes a bit of flare in the tips but it seems to have more oomph than with the Y as then your tips are pinched in.


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 Post subject: Re: Naish bar shift system 2012 and older Torches
PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2012 8:56 am 
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Fair enough only ever tried it with North which has a very high Y which didn't work well with the kite.


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 Post subject: Re: Naish bar shift system 2012 and older Torches
PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2012 4:53 pm 
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I'd certainly reco Naish bar for Naish kite. I haven't experienced issues mixing various year bars with various year kites


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 Post subject: Re: Naish bar shift system 2012 and older Torches
PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 11:30 pm 
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Yesterday, i have bought a Torch 2012 7m, with its 2012 bar. And I can tell you that these bar, with its correct configuration for freestyle, direction lines the longest possible way, and the middle ones in the shortest, and the kite still collapse a little bit!!! i make the test with my 2010 bar, and the torch 2012 didnt collapse any way and was flying perfectly!
Is this normal with 2012 bars??? or may be is a problem of this one in particular???

Thnx :)


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 Post subject: Re: Naish bar shift system 2012 and older Torches
PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 12:07 am 
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joandani wrote:
Yesterday, i have bought a Torch 2012 7m, with its 2012 bar. And I can tell you that these bar, with its correct configuration for freestyle, direction lines the longest possible way, and the middle ones in the shortest, and the kite still collapse a little bit!!! i make the test with my 2010 bar, and the torch 2012 didnt collapse any way and was flying perfectly!
Is this normal with 2012 bars??? or may be is a problem of this one in particular???

Thnx :)


it should not collapse. is the bar all original? Any mods to it?
the 5th should be tight, but not holding the kite as far as my experience goes with that kite (was on an 11).


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