Ill take that wager.
Definitely a good trade unless you were looking to make a tent.

We can set a beer scoring account. I guess I gotta lose about 60lb to reach your weight. Maybe acceptible for me to use a 9. Either way. You can have a go. I think the only thing might be the initial velocity...but height same..hangtime I would expelt torch to be better...

..also we need to get another race up and running.

No way! - Raven will wing height any day! Hands down will take that bet and day ... It was built to boost!

hmm, this topic has been discussed at length here, top height should be similar for most kites...how you get there differs...my point is that the toch looks a lot higher AR than it ever used to be. If we ever get a great day of wind and me and ivel are at the same spot he can have a go at my torch and let you guys know. I still think the cloud of olden days will make that kite better than it maybe was...that said..it was a great kite. The 12 was absolutely so much fun...