@nikalaitzian

I just saw 2 video's of your kiteloops. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISQaLYmrIb0 and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eOU7diUA0k
In these 2 video's the kite is also not that low ( maybe 35 or 40 degrees).

with both kites I use the 22m bar.with 18 or 20 things are way different.also you can understand the forward drag if you see closely the first video

just a minute. doesn't the operator decide how big the loop is by how much he fish poles the bar.... you should talk to who ever flies your kites for you and ask him to fish pole it less for a bigger loop......

@nikalaitzian

Yes I can see the forward drag but I've seen bigger loops (also on a C4).
I think to have the best out of a kite, you just have to do more sessions with it.
For example I have tried a Torch 6m also (just one session) and my C4 5m was
better in the loops, but I'm sure if I did more sessions with the Torch, it will loop about the
same, if not better.

True

Nikalaitzian stop whining and pay your taxes !