Disagree. Especially the big foils and in light wind.Flight Time wrote:There is no special skills needed to fly a foil that can't be learned in a day.
Nope.Flight Time wrote:Only thing is the launching and landing is different, and you have to kind of jiggle the kite in the air to fill the wingtips faster.
Perhaps but not by much and, Nonsense.Flight Time wrote:After that, it's a slow LEI that you can't self rescue with.
That would be goodFlight Time wrote:If anyone is demoing them between Tampa and Naples on the weekend, I'll give one a spin and write a review and comparison to the Inf V2.
Perhaps but not by much and, Nonsense.Kamikuza wrote:Disagree. Especially the big foils and in light wind.Flight Time wrote:There is no special skills needed to fly a foil that can't be learned in a day.Nope.Flight Time wrote:Only thing is the launching and landing is different, and you have to kind of jiggle the kite in the air to fill the wingtips faster.
And sheeting in will fill them quicker, just FYI.Flight Time wrote:After that, it's a slow LEI that you can't self rescue with.
I fly foils and Fuels.Flight Time wrote:Perhaps but not by much and, Nonsense.Kamikuza wrote:Disagree. Especially the big foils and in light wind.Flight Time wrote:There is no special skills needed to fly a foil that can't be learned in a day.Nope.Flight Time wrote:Only thing is the launching and landing is different, and you have to kind of jiggle the kite in the air to fill the wingtips faster.
And sheeting in will fill them quicker, just FYI.Flight Time wrote:After that, it's a slow LEI that you can't self rescue with.
Ok, fill me in on the "special skills" that I would need to train for years to be able to master the sleeping bag. I've flown one on the beach, don't know which one, I think it was a 15, and it felt like a slower version of my 16 Cab SB. Tell me other than launching and landing, what is the difference. Give me concrete differences, none of that intangible etherial spiritual bullspit. I am of the impression that an experienced kiter could fly a grocery bag on some fishing line.
for sure going from a Psycho 1 to a speed three would be like going from a Wippy classic to an ozone edge.Westozzy wrote:Arcsrule wrote:you joined KF June 2012, but yet you were held back a half decade. what took so long to find KITEFORUM? your credibility is questioned....Westozzy wrote:Rode foils for years, worst decision I ever made. Held back my kiting for a good half a decade.
Spent most of my time on our local Seabreeze forum (eppo). Crew will vouch for me. When I started there were no forums.
Rode the first new wave foils, had the warrior foils ( remember them or weren't you kiting then?), had a few Peter Lynn arcs, then fly surfer psychos. So I haven't ridden a foil in a while now so maybe they have improved. They are too efficient, but that does make them great in lighter winds. Don't have the problem of light winds in WA.
But I must say I now ride ozone edges, the closest kite I have found that resembles the apparent wind build up of a foil. Just a beautiful wing. That is one thing I did like about foils.
So you needn't question my credibility by friend, learnt on wipikas and other foils, seen it all change and rode a fair few of the kites during the changes.
Each to their own. On yeh I would consider a speed 21m as I said they have their place.
Didn't say anything about "training for years"; but I don't agree with "a day" to become acquainted with the quirks and adapt to things like, not having a rigid-framed kite in the sky - especially when the conditions aren't perfect.Flight Time wrote:Ok, fill me in on the "special skills" that I would need to train for years to be able to master the sleeping bag. I've flown one on the beach, don't know which one, I think it was a 15, and it felt like a slower version of my 16 Cab SB. Tell me other than launching and landing, what is the difference. Give me concrete differences, none of that intangible etherial spiritual bullspit. I am of the impression that an experienced kiter could fly a grocery bag on some fishing line.
The Captain wrote:
I mainly fly foils
I agree with SupaEZ, in that it would take a bit more than time to learn how get ALL the potential out of ANY kite.
I believe I said, "aside from launching and landing"... A foil kite will behave better than most LEI kites to a sudden loss of line tension. As has been discussed before, LEIs are front heavy, making them prone to hindenburg as opposed to drift. A foil kite is for the most part neutral. Aside from getting a little bit mushy as they are not being ram fed air, a foil kite will drift downwind straight in whatever position it was heading at the loss of tension, and won't continue to seek the nose down position. Launching them from water is a process of flying them in the direction that is facing up. If the kite noses in, fly it backwards and up by pulling the rear lines. If it hits trailing edge down, pull the front lines. If it goes flat and gets hit by a wave, hit the QR and write the kite off, swim to shore, and maybe eventually it will wash up full of seaweed.Kamikuza wrote:Didn't say anything about "training for years"; but I don't agree with "a day" to become acquainted with the quirks and adapt to things like, not having a rigid-framed kite in the sky - especially when the conditions aren't perfect.
For example, how the kite behaves with loss of line tension usually requires more input that just sitting in the water waiting for the kite to float downwind and pick up the slack... you can just let the kite do what it wants but that can get messy. Then recovering that can require a knack too - more than just pulling a rear line and waiting.