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Re: The biggest tube kite on the market, 21 mts

Postby DrLightWind » Wed Feb 06, 2013 6:40 am

SupaEZ wrote:Hello Nicholas
Please give me your opinion since you designed that kite and are an expert at ULW riding

As an expert do you think you could ride in same low wind on an 11ft stand up paddleboard (SUP)?

On an SUP could "your 21m2 "kite ride in lulls of 2kn...so let's say average 3kn (2-3-4kn max) ?

In your expert opinion could a smaller tube kite (16-17m2) pull at kiter in 2-4kn max on an SUP ?

Please explain your answers whether it is possible or not

...... :thanx: merci beauoup....... :pump: :surf: :sun: Zeeko Notus ULW 21 :winner1: :cheers:
I'd like to see the 21m Zeeko riding in average 3kn,
but since no answer, I don't think so, imho :nono: that's the bottom line.

Also if anybody is thinking "a tube kite (16-17m2) pulling a kiter in 2-4kn on a SUP",
they must be dreaming and only swimming with their kite in the SOUP, not even flying :wink:

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Re: The biggest tube kite on the market, 21 mts

Postby Zeeko » Wed Feb 06, 2013 1:05 pm

Hi, sorry not to reply sooner.

The difference between ram air kite (I mean big ones) in light wind is at different points:
Ram air kite, in very light wind can have better upwind ability. This is what we see in the french racing contest, but when you go down wind the kites are very difficult to create apparent wind (as the acceleration of such kite is lower than inflatable ones at the same size). And the turning ability is totally different.
The Notus 21m is super stable with 5knots of wind. I mean you keep the kite at the zenith and without any movement it stays in the air. This is the only 21m inflatable kite I know that do this job.

With wind lower (3-4knots), you need to moove the kite to keep it in the air.

With a foil board, I can start at 4.5-5knots of lulls. With lower winds, I can't launch my foilboard.
Additionnaly,I never used with a SUP in low wind (4knots) I'll try to make the tests, but these days wind is 35knots here :cool2:

As I detailed, power is square of the wind speed and increase with the kite size for a steady wind. Then you can ride with a smaller kite (specially with a big board as a SUP). But the power management will be different.
What I say is for example, with 5knots of wind and my foil I can ride with both 17m and 21m.
But with the 21m I feel full powered, and I can pass lull, with a 17m this is more tricky.


You always have to remember that when the wind changes from 5 to 4knots, this is 20% less wind (this make almost 1/3 loose of power for the same kite size, kite size difference between 17m and 21m is 23%)


You can ride with different kite sizes but if wind low down, with a small kite, you fail.
Additionnaly, when you want to go downwind, a bigger kite is definitely faster.

Why I use a foilboard instead of a SUP or a raceboard:
The reason is simple I kite now for about 15years, I windsurfed a lot. I never love lightwind.
But with a foil board, the feeling is totally awesome in light wind for different reasons:
- feeling of ride: no noises, no chops
- unbeatable upwind ability
- tricks to do strapless

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Re: The biggest tube kite on the market, 21 mts

Postby SupaEZ » Wed Feb 06, 2013 1:23 pm

Nicholas you do not have to say you are sorry about anything :wink:

Kiteforum is usually an activity to do when there is NO wind......and you have 35kn !!!

I must say i really enjoy all your detailed explanations and answers

When it comes to single digit wind speed riding (absolutely below 10kn)....5-6-7-8-9 max..........

........i believe that your experience (15 years) and kite designer + expert ULW............

......speaks with zero BS

Could you post additional photos of your awesome ULW 21m2 kite from different angles

............... :thanx: Merci beaucoup :!: .......................... :pump: :sun: :surf: ............................................

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Re: The biggest tube kite on the market, 21 mts

Postby SupaEZ » Wed Feb 06, 2013 1:30 pm

DrLightWind wrote:Also if anybody is thinking "a tube kite (16-17m2) pulling a kiter in 2-4kn on a SUP",
they must be dreaming and only swimming with their kite in the SOUP, not even flying :wink:

DrLW


DR. ultra LW......you are cracking me up :lol: ......with the play on words......."SOUP"

Reminded me of that short Seinfeld clip....about.....the SOUP bad person

Check it out : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J02RdkvI6zo :rollgrin: :rollgrin: :lol:

You want bread ??.... 3 dollars !! (or in SUP currency ..3 knots )...NO soup for you....NEXT !!!!!!

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Re: The biggest tube kite on the market, 21 mts

Postby edt » Wed Feb 06, 2013 4:19 pm

Zeeko wrote:With a foil board, I can start at 4.5-5knots of lulls. With lower winds, I can't launch my foilboard.


zeeko why did you go with the standard design of foil instead of say a surface ventilated one?

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Re: The biggest tube kite on the market, 21 mts

Postby PVITfrumBYRAM » Wed Feb 06, 2013 6:43 pm

Zeeko, when are the new Notus 21m coming out? I've been instructing for a few years now and I'm a light weight guy, about 63 kg and I also enjoy riding in light winds. Most days when it is too light to teach students, I take out a 15 meter kite and a litewave wing without fins. I've gotten pretty good at staying upwind in 10 knots and even some jumps but I'd like to feel powered and use a smaller board on days like these. Are there any dealers in the US?

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Re: The biggest tube kite on the market, 21 mts

Postby Zeeko » Thu Feb 07, 2013 8:47 am

The 21m is already released,
for us shop you can go to kitesurferstore.com or zeeko website contact.
If there is some US shop interested about the brand, contact@zeeko-kites.com

For EDT,
What do you mean by ventilated one?

Regards,
Nicolas

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Re: The biggest tube kite on the market, 21 mts

Postby fernmanus » Fri Feb 08, 2013 3:00 am

Largest Zeeko Notus on the Kitesurferstore is a 17M, no 21M. The Zeeko site has the currency in Euros.

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Re: The biggest tube kite on the market, 21 mts

Postby edt » Fri Feb 08, 2013 3:39 am

Zeeko wrote:The 21m is already released,
for us shop you can go to kitesurferstore.com or zeeko website contact.
If there is some US shop interested about the brand, contact@zeeko-kites.com

For EDT,
What do you mean by ventilated one?

Regards,
Nicolas


just why use a fully submerged foil instead of a surface piercing one

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Re: The biggest tube kite on the market, 21 mts

Postby PVITfrumBYRAM » Fri Feb 08, 2013 3:47 am

Thanks Nicolas,

I thought from reading some of the earlier posts that the 2013 was not out yet. glad to hear it is. I manage a kite school here on the East Coast of the U.S. and will be having a talk with my boss. We need big kites for light days so our instructors don't go hungry. Haha.

Paolo


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