I call BS. A 19 or 17 is not going to turn as fast as 12 or 13. Wont even be close. The problem out side of sheer size is air flow over the foil. All kites will turn faster the higher the wind speed is going over the foil its physics. Well unless you have a kite that defies them that is.iblocalsurfer wrote:@ Windmaker
Have never flown a 19m, but I have a 17m that turns as fast as an average 12 or 13m. And, this kite has a front line adjustment on the leading egde that enables it to sit more forward in the window. Also, due to the thin leading edge/struts it's fairly light and does not fall easily. These attributes make it great for upwind wave riding where it almost feels like real surfing, but not quite(especially in the bottom turns). However, you can still let go and feel the power of the wave and pull off some similar moves as you do in surfing. And, with the kites power, you can make some difficult sections that you coundn't freesurfing. So, a slightly blown out day can be fun (and that's most mid-days for us)
I'm totally in agreement that it's more ideal in side-off 6m-9m conditions. However, you take what you can get. Lastly, I'll try to get Juan-Carlos to take some vid of our next swell so we can show you that it's a little more than just "Cruising"
Well, no not really. The difference is pretty simple and if you cant see it, well its not anyones problem but your own.plummet wrote:News flash. If your standing on a board (any board) and that board is on a wave face your riding the wave... thus its wave riding.
hehe.... your blinkers are firmly in place. I know what you seek. That is to depower the kite so your feel no pull from it and have the wave provide the power and then you surf the wave as closely to a surfer as you possibly can. You then want to use the kite to power back upwind and start all over again.Brent4336 wrote:Well, no not really. The difference is pretty simple and if you cant see it, well its not anyones problem but your own.plummet wrote:News flash. If your standing on a board (any board) and that board is on a wave face your riding the wave... thus its wave riding.
Your approach kind of reminds me of what the vast majority of kiters do. That is eat crap out there all day and call it filet mignon! Riding the wave with a kite is pretty much an art, and to debase it by saying that everyone out there is doing it is misrepresentation. The thing is that you actually have to do it to know that everything you did before was just kiting in waves. Many never reach that level and fail to understand the difference for lack of context. Call them zeolots or whatever you want, but I call it a paradigm shift. Once you get a taste of something better, well, you know its better and you simply want more of it. I ride around in wind driven waves all season and I know that prescious few moments in my kiting season are actually wave driven riding. I dont bag on the guys around here on twintips, but I sure as hell know what it is that I'm after when I'm out there, and as much as possible its not kiting in waves though to say Im surfing would also be misrepresentation.
There is a general consensus so far and thats pretty much that 10m is max for decent wave kiting for the average weight rider. Heavy guys gotta go bigger, light guys can get away with smaller, but apart from a few people talking about big ol light wind kites, the overwhelming answer is that 10m is about as big as you can go and still have a fast enough kite with enough power shut off to really surf waves well with a kite.