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 Post subject: Core ESP Bar - Adjuster
PostPosted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 12:57 am 
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Have anyone changed the adjuster on ESP bar with a new one?
Do you know what is the "name" of the two knots on the bottom of the adjuster? If I have the name I can search it on the internet :wink:

The knots can be untied easily or I have to use a tool?


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 Post subject: Re: Core ESP Bar - Adjuster
PostPosted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 1:14 am 
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Bowline knots. Easy to untie. Look em up and learn em. One of the only knots you'll need in this sport.


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 Post subject: Re: Core ESP Bar - Adjuster
PostPosted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 1:23 am 
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Starsky wrote:
Bowline knots. Easy to untie. Look em up and learn em. One of the only knots you'll need in this sport.


Yes, I have untied bowline knots again but the truth is that I never sat down and learn them :oops:
I have untied a bowline knot approximately before 2 years... I don't usually need them.

Thanks for your help!


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 Post subject: Re: Core ESP Bar - Adjuster
PostPosted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 2:58 pm 
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No prob.

Just as an aside, I'd replace that style trim strap with one of these:

http://www.clamcleat.com/uploads/cleat_ ... cleats.pdf


They are super nice and easy to install, makes for simple and quick depower line replacement when the time comes, and you get to play the adjustment of where you want it on the line before you do the final trim and knot. A few brands are using it now. They are cheap and you end up with a much much cleaner looking system. So nice not to have all that stuff right in front of your face!

I find the webbing straps eventually start to slip when they get worn a bit and its always exactly when you dont want it..... ie powered up on a small kite and its gusty. They tend to slip when the lines go slack for a moment and then tension up hard in a big gust. Soooooo anoying and fairly unsafe.


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 Post subject: Re: Core ESP Bar - Adjuster
PostPosted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 3:54 pm 
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I agree. Strap systems have many disadvantages. Once I switched to an above-the-bar cleating system, I swore-off all the others.

Switch Kites makes a neat, compact, and universal cleat called the Regulator. Works great and it's sells for just $5.50. A simple piece of cast aluminum. Order it with a new "Chicken Loop Line" and you'll have a perfect fit!

http://switchkites.com/warehouse_comp/i ... p?cPath=28

Check out the video on the Regulator's application here.

http://switchkites.com/switch_tv/index.html


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 Post subject: Re: Core ESP Bar - Adjuster
PostPosted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 9:41 pm 
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not exactly a bowline

similar knots used on Best bars for years


1. Single line self-tightening

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2.Double self-tightening. Notice that the rope passes back down the same way as it enters, and both lengths of rope pass over the top of the D-ring. This gives it twice the strength at it's weakest point compared to a simple overhand knot

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 Post subject: Re: Core ESP Bar - Adjuster
PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 1:40 am 
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 Post subject: Re: Core ESP Bar - Adjuster
PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 8:23 am 
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cowboy wrote:
not exactly a bowline
similar knots used on Best bars for years
1. Single line self-tightening
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2.Double self-tightening. Notice that the rope passes back down the same way as it enters, and both lengths of rope pass over the top of the D-ring. This gives it twice the strength at it's weakest point compared to a simple overhand knot
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your first one IS bowline knot and it is not tightening the loop, thats the whole point of this knot.
second one is how i tie my ties :)


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 Post subject: Re: Core ESP Bar - Adjuster
PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 2:03 pm 
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not quite, close, but the line your threading loops around the line that is not part of the loop in a bowline.

Dude was right


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 Post subject: Re: Core ESP Bar - Adjuster
PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 3:13 pm 
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First one is not a bowline. You can see the line does not go around the tree and back into the hole. Sorry ive always used the rabbit going into the hole method when i tie bowline knots


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