Aloha,franzschenk wrote:Have used this kite for about two months and the following happen to me several times: When kiting with low wind and changing the direction, the kite moves only only until the trailing edge points to the water. Then the kite stays in this position for about 1 to 2 seconds and then slowly falls in the water. Haven't managed to do anything to avoid this situation so far.
And when this happens in waves like today, it's even more difficult to relaunch. The kite has good relaunch capabilities in normal wind (but then this problem never happen). But with light wind, the kite moves to the edge of the window and rest "glued" in the water in the optimal start position.
Had a critical situation today because of that. Have rolled up the bar after the wind dropped even more, managed to swim towards the beach, but then get washed by a 3m powerful wave and can be lucky that I and the kite aren't damaged too bad.
I'm kiting since about 7 years and normally nearly never drop the kite, and this situation never happen to me with my previous kite, a JN Prima Donna 11m which I used for more than 4 years.
Have the following questions:
1. Has anyone else the same experience with this (or another kite), and has a hint or a solution to avoid this situation? Is it a trimming problem?
2. The kite has a "light wind relaunch system" with a fifth yellow line. But have never seen anybody that uses Naish Bolts that have installed this light wind relaunch system. Has anyone good experience with that?
Thank you all in advance for any advice!
Franz
Tacoing is not a problem on the Bolt though any kite should be pumped up.Slappysan wrote:Not sure why you guys are talking about flying the kite and back stalling. This guy is complaining about water relaunch.
I have 12m Cult and it has the same issue. I've never tried the LWR system but without it unable to relaunch in anything less than 10 knots.
One suggestion is to pump it up rock solid, which helps avoid tacos when dealing with this situation.
I tested one because I heard it was a good wave kite. It was extremely disappointing... Tacoed on me every time I dived it into the power zone. I thought it was a pumping issue but I could not have gone any higher without blowing up the leading edge. The power delivery was either way over or nothing at all. Because i'd pumped it so hard it bounced off the water...flipped over and shot back into the sky in the middle of the powerzone. I found it odd for a supposedly user friendly kite. The Park is more progressive all round in my opinion. My issues with the Bolt might have been due to the way it was set up but it was a demo so I started with standard and then worked through all the variants with the same or similar effect. It might also be because I'm about 105 kg so heavier than others in this thread.... I also know people who love their Bolts and don't have the same issues I did. But...for me it felt like the scariest, most unstable, kite I'd ever flown. I ended up buying Rebels btw.tautologies wrote:Tacoing is not a problem on the Bolt though any kite should be pumped up.Slappysan wrote:Not sure why you guys are talking about flying the kite and back stalling. This guy is complaining about water relaunch.
I have 12m Cult and it has the same issue. I've never tried the LWR system but without it unable to relaunch in anything less than 10 knots.
One suggestion is to pump it up rock solid, which helps avoid tacos when dealing with this situation.
I read this as a problem where the kite would fall slowly. If it is a relaunch issue. In light wind Pull front lines a bit and then the back line. If you can pull the opposite front line, it will help manouver the kite better.
In lightwind the LWR is great.
woa..that sounds like a kite that was set up completely wrong or maybe with the wrong bridle? Was it a proto or something?balugh wrote:
I tested one because I heard it was a good wave kite. It was extremely disappointing... Tacoed on me every time I dived it into the power zone. I thought it was a pumping issue but I could not have gone any higher without blowing up the leading edge. The power delivery was either way over or nothing at all. Because i'd pumped it so hard it bounced off the water...flipped over and shot back into the sky in the middle of the powerzone. I found it odd for a supposedly user friendly kite. The Park is more progressive all round in my opinion. My issues with the Bolt might have been due to the way it was set up but it was a demo so I started with standard and then worked through all the variants with the same or similar effect. It might also be because I'm about 105 kg so heavier than others in this thread.... I also know people who love their Bolts and don't have the same issues I did. But...for me it felt like the scariest, most unstable, kite I'd ever flown. I ended up buying Rebels btw.
ronnie wrote:
I found that if its marginal, that type of pumping can get the kite in the air.
So if the wind is only just too light to get the kite off the water, you can pull alternately on the upper front line and back line. The front line tilts the kite forward, the back line tilts it back. I found that if you alternate between pumping with the front line and the back line in a combination that keeps the kite tilted back by about 10 degrees, that worked for pumping it up off the water until it got high enough to not need pumping.
I was told it was stock (I've tested a couple of protos) so was surprised...to say the least...but I'll shut up now...as this thread is about relaunching it in light winds. My one observation on that is that the irregular shape is good for breaking the 'water tension' seal but it's not a lightweight kite...so fliers need to get the kite moving to get it in the air and keep it there. Even for a lightweight rider I think there are a lot of better light wind kites around such as the Ozone Edge though.tautologies wrote:woa..that sounds like a kite that was set up completely wrong or maybe with the wrong bridle? Was it a proto or something?balugh wrote:
I tested one because I heard it was a good wave kite. It was extremely disappointing... Tacoed on me every time I dived it into the power zone. I thought it was a pumping issue but I could not have gone any higher without blowing up the leading edge. The power delivery was either way over or nothing at all. Because i'd pumped it so hard it bounced off the water...flipped over and shot back into the sky in the middle of the powerzone. I found it odd for a supposedly user friendly kite. The Park is more progressive all round in my opinion. My issues with the Bolt might have been due to the way it was set up but it was a demo so I started with standard and then worked through all the variants with the same or similar effect. It might also be because I'm about 105 kg so heavier than others in this thread.... I also know people who love their Bolts and don't have the same issues I did. But...for me it felt like the scariest, most unstable, kite I'd ever flown. I ended up buying Rebels btw.
I've had the 9 in the weirdest conditions no problem at all. I pump it the same I pump all my kites. Maybe 7 psi or something like that (ping test). It was my preferred kite for learnin tricks because it would not pull like crazy while looping it.
I agree the Park is more all round and the 2013 does fill in the gap left by the bolt, but your experience sounds like there was something wrong with the kite / setup. On the weight..I'm not far from you. I guess it could taco if it was underinflated, and that is exasperated by heavier riders, but I'm not that far off your weight.
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