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 Post subject: Re: Hell with those kites. Lets clear out idea about bars fi
PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2013 3:00 am 
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Imba wrote:
size of 134*42. And i cant say its a huge one really.


For my weight 42cm wide is light wind. So for riding overpowered in the chop it way too big.
I might be wrong about depower for your kite. I am using Toby's style to compliment what I am doing and that is riding like Chasta with a lot of spinning and looping and now I want to put in a board off or board spin into the mix. I use the kite that has a bit deeper profile and turns fast. I trim my kite to be on the verge of back stalling to get the lift from smaller size. If I bring the bar all the way in the kite almost stops in the air. So I ride with my hands way out on a small board but when I bring the bar in and get a big pop I get yanked into stratosphere. I have enough time to loop 2-3 times to bring me back to earth. I do the first loop helicopter style and here I want to use some Tobys fancy board tricks, then the second loop to get some horizontal movement because my kite is almost like a C up and down and if I need to slow down I might throw in the third. If I depower my kite too much my kite is getting back winded because of its profile.


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 Post subject: Re: Hell with those kites. Lets clear out idea about bars fi
PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2013 6:32 am 
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edt wrote:
very simple Imba keep the kite low, and by low I mean nearly touching the water.

Think about it this way. Suppose you are in a tug of war. And you hold the rope above your head and try to win. You can't gain leverage. Now suppose you angle your body close the ground and pull with the rope just a few inches above the ground. Now you can exert your entire strength against the rope.....



You advice make total sense (tho im a huge "fan" of physics laws...).

The only problem here, i never saw anyone ride with theiir kites "just above the waterline" most of the time.


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 Post subject: Re: Hell with those kites. Lets clear out idea about bars fi
PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2013 9:50 am 
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Thx Edt, forgot to explain the edging.

Imba, not sure if any of my trailers show this...but could be.

Edt, show us a video with boardoff and helicopter loop, will look sick!
I don't have any on video, but landed some since the kite was sometimes way behind the zenith (specially when kicking off waves), me spinning and then just before landing pulled the bar to not crash. Sweetest feeling ever! And even better when you do it higher up...pls film, wanna see !!!


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 Post subject: Re: Hell with those kites. Lets clear out idea about bars fi
PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2013 5:22 pm 
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Just wanted to jump in with suggestion why don't you guys using the Zeeko UDS Bar :?:
The design and workmanship is amazing, with spinning leash, stopper what you need etc :thumb:
It's only $375 complete 54" Bar, from Montreal with a good safety system and a lot of depower.
I'm just changing to this on my Flysurfer Kites to get rid of the original lame infinity bar :idea:

There is a Thread about this here:
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DrLW


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 Post subject: Re: Hell with those kites. Lets clear out idea about bars fi
PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2013 7:01 pm 
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Imba wrote:
The only problem here, i never saw anyone ride with theiir kites "just above the waterline" most of the time.


It's a technique you have to learn if you want to hold down monster power. Most kiters don't like that much power.


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 Post subject: Re: Hell with those kites. Lets clear out idea about bars fi
PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2013 7:02 pm 
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DrLightWind wrote:
Just wanted to jump in with suggestion why don't you guys using the Zeeko UDS Bar :?:


microloop looks more stylish and is quicker you just dip the bar and fly instead of tugging above the bar.


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 Post subject: Re: Hell with those kites. Lets clear out idea about bars fi
PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2013 7:04 pm 
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Toby wrote:

Edt, show us a video with boardoff and helicopter loop, will look sick!


You meant marlboroughman, but agree megaloop board off is a sick move.


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 Post subject: Re: Hell with those kites. Lets clear out idea about bars fi
PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2013 7:06 pm 
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Lots of power in the kite = the best gym ever !!!


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 Post subject: Re: Hell with those kites. Lets clear out idea about bars fi
PostPosted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 12:41 am 
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Edt - yes, a video of that trick would be sick!

Everyone else - can you explain a 'micro loop'?
I own 5 kites, but still don't think I've seen one.

Btw - DVD purchased... Waiting for it to arrive. Was dreaming about it this morning and jumped on the forums to get my 'fix'.


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 Post subject: Re: Hell with those kites. Lets clear out idea about bars fi
PostPosted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 11:30 am 
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great ac...thx a lot for the support!

here you see a screenshot from the DVD where I talk about the microloop (ML).

The ML is the most important tool on your bar if it comes to Airstyle riding.

Here you can also see that I use the inner connection of the bar for the steering lines, so the kite gets even slower for turning (18 sqm Dyno)


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