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 Post subject: Re: new Flysurfer?
PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2013 3:36 pm 
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plummet wrote:
The Captain wrote:
Anyone know how well these single skin kites drift if the lines are unloaded?


About as well as you average sheet I imagine


I will rephrase that question as a statement. I suspect they would fold up pretty quickly if the lines were unloaded.


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 Post subject: Re: new Flysurfer?
PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2013 8:05 pm 
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hi,
as far as i know the paragliders using single skin have problems to depower.
Can imagine this as there is no inside air pressure...

cheers,

Otti


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 Post subject: Re: new Flysurfer?
PostPosted: Wed Jun 26, 2013 7:01 pm 
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Related to this discussion are the following realms:
== David Barish's Glide Wing single-layer. Single-skin.
== Rogallo's single-layer limp kites and their strategic stiffening. Single-skin.post HERE.
== NPWs with terra-bound anchors or moving anchors or free-falling anchors (gliding kites, gliding parachutes, canopy hang gliders). Single-skin.
== Pere Casellas and the BarretinaHyperLite simple surface kites and PGs HERE. Single-skin.
== PlaySail. Single-skin.
== Mothra arch kites Single-skin. HERE. and EneryKiteSystemHere
== Non-rotating arch ribbon kites Single-skin.
== Some spider webs . Single-skin.
== David Culp's OutLeader with three bridle lines. Single-skin. HERE
== Tarp flying ... single skin HERE
== Ozone's single-skin HERE
== FlySurfer single-skin

Single-skin development is not a done-deal. Texture, turbulators, shaping, bridling, material choices, chordwise shaping, spanwise shaping, etc. form an exciting development era.. From flags to just before double-layering Jalbert is a spectrum of play that will keep many exploring yet for some time to come.


BaretinaHyperLite wrote:
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CONSIDER?
Explore ciliated fuzz bottom-surface texture for single-skin wings. What will the air entrainment do to performance, handling, depowering, re-powering, etc.? Strategic ciliation? Specialized patterns of ciliation? Length and design of the hairs? Reports are invited.

Best of Lifts,
JoeF


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 Post subject: Re: new Flysurfer?
PostPosted: Wed Jun 26, 2013 8:23 pm 
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joefaust wrote:
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Reports are invited.

Best of Lifts,
JoeF


Are YOU the same Joe Faust that posts on OZ , the HG forum ; you
got the Same writing style ?

Your profile says : "Kiting since 1963" ---------------------- REALLY ???? !!!

I Didn't know
this sport had bin around , back in 1963 ...

Have You ever actually bin out on the water with a Kite Board ??

Bille


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 Post subject: Re: new Flysurfer?
PostPosted: Wed Jun 26, 2013 9:17 pm 
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Thanks for your pleasant welcome, Bille.
Yes, kiting since 1963.
And founder of K.I.T.E.S.A.
Kite Information and Technology Exchange Society of America.

Just highly interested in kiting.
Not bored at all. Just high on kites.
Founder of Low & Slow publication.
Founder of Hang Glider magazine and its weekly format.
Founder of http://www.EnergyKiteSystems.net
Founder/moderator of KitePatents group
Founder/moderator of highjump group
Founder/moderator of KiteLinks group
Founder/moderator of KiteApplications group
and several other kite groups.

YOU are welcome to each of them for furthering your interest in the kite sector.

Founder/moderator of scores of web sites dedicated to specialized sectors of kiting.

Daily: hobby all. I put in about 8 hours daily on my hobby of kiting.

Sorry about the episode in OZ where my posts filled the page one week; since that episode, I have kept Davis' discipline that he and Scare arranged for my enthusiasm. Some enjoyed the posts, some were without the time to enjoy the flow. I take it from your tone that you might not have the time to mine my flow; feel free to skip over my posts; I have no agenda to force you to the kiting table that I am excited about. I am interested in your kiting, though. Keep me informed; thanks.

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Notice that I am here in KiteForum as "rare" poster. It appears you do not want me to post in KiteForum. Is the KiteForum your special turf that would be bothered by my flow? What specific topic seems to grind against your temperament? [ ] ?

You are welcome to choose the one-penny option to get a $20 value classic:
http://EnergyKiteSystems.net/Birdflight/index.html
Or if you see me at some kiting site, just mention the book to me and I will hand over a new copy to you without the postage-handling cost or penny, just free to you, Bille, as the supply lasts; right now I have over 1000 copies that I want to gift to kiteboarders.

The sport of kiteboarding has been around way before 1963.

~ Joe Faust, joef, joefaust

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Print out and give sets of 30 to local teachers of young children:
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 Post subject: Re: new Flysurfer?
PostPosted: Fri Jun 28, 2013 1:18 pm 
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Thanks for all the links Joe. With all this info to explore I think I just lost my weekend :-P


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 Post subject: Re: new Flysurfer?
PostPosted: Fri Jun 28, 2013 2:03 pm 
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Well billie that told ya! Lol.... :D


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 Post subject: Re: new Flysurfer?
PostPosted: Fri Jun 28, 2013 4:20 pm 
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I also did it about 10 years ago, probably the simplest solution.
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 Post subject: Re: new Flysurfer?
PostPosted: Fri Jun 28, 2013 4:25 pm 
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NOT WHAT YOU WAS EXPECTNG

https://vimeo.com/69308014

CHEC THE HOMEPAGE


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 Post subject: Re: new Flysurfer?
PostPosted: Fri Jun 28, 2013 7:35 pm 
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now that kite is really ugly....

and you know what they say about the beauty of the aircraft and its flying capacities...


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