Oh this old chestnut again....lol.
If you say foils are better than leis then 99 percent of kiters must have been fooled.
Maybe the earth is flat after all! Lol.
Reworded slightly: If you say LEIs are better than foils then 99 percent of snow kiters must have been fooled.Westozzy wrote:Oh this old chestnut again....lol.
If you say foils are better than leis then 99 percent of kiters must have been fooled.
Dude, no need to take a contrary opinion personally. Snow kiting and kitesurfing - same sport, different medium. I do both equally. I don't think it's hard to understand the point. The point is you're flying a kite for both and performance demands in the air are not materially different. On the water, LEIs are preferred. On the snow, foils are preferred. Why? Well if the performance demands are the same, it must have something to do with the medium (water vs. snow). Otherwise, if LEIs were really so much better you would still see a bias toward them on the snow, as well as on the water. So, in my humble observations, the performance differences are overstated.Westozzy wrote:Snow kiters? What has that got to do with the price of eggs? KITE - SURFING....not snow boarding...
Because they won't relaunch hey that's the only reason?
For the average punter who is not unhooking and not smacking their kite in the drink which comes with the territory when learning wake style, I would say I could always get my foils up out of the water way quicker than a LEI if you know what you are doing. But yes if left there for a while you can get in trouble.
Nope I changed from foils to LEIs purely on performance alone and trust me I held off for a long time after they died a quick death over here.
In light winds they have their place, but board selection is crucial. You have to remember the pros push the sport and the hence the wings capability to its very maximum, and they ride leis, except a few riders who have my respect IMO. You can bang on about marketing conspiracy and all that jazz but in the end the market will tell you what is best and what isn't and the numbers don't lie.
Oh except if you are snowboarding? wTF?
There is no doubt though I really miss the ease of setting up quickly, no pumping, and I missed the apparent wind build up until I found the edge.
I'm seriously intrigued with fly surfers chronic though, demo arriving over here end of the month. I will be testing and reviewing the shit out of it.
Actually, ram airs are inferior to inflatables on snow/land, as well as on water. Check this link for the reasons and for corroborating evidence: viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2374666Life_Is_Awesome wrote:Dude, no need to take a contrary opinion personally. Snow kiting and kitesurfing - same sport, different medium. I do both equally. I don't think it's hard to understand the point. The point is you're flying a kite for both and performance demands in the air are not materially different. On the water, LEIs are preferred. On the snow, foils are preferred. Why? Well if the performance demands are the same, it must have something to do with the medium (water vs. snow). Otherwise, if LEIs were really so much better you would still see a bias toward them on the snow, as well as on the water. So, in my humble observations, the performance differences are overstated.Westozzy wrote:Snow kiters? What has that got to do with the price of eggs? KITE - SURFING....not snow boarding...
Because they won't relaunch hey that's the only reason?
For the average punter who is not unhooking and not smacking their kite in the drink which comes with the territory when learning wake style, I would say I could always get my foils up out of the water way quicker than a LEI if you know what you are doing. But yes if left there for a while you can get in trouble.
Nope I changed from foils to LEIs purely on performance alone and trust me I held off for a long time after they died a quick death over here.
In light winds they have their place, but board selection is crucial. You have to remember the pros push the sport and the hence the wings capability to its very maximum, and they ride leis, except a few riders who have my respect IMO. You can bang on about marketing conspiracy and all that jazz but in the end the market will tell you what is best and what isn't and the numbers don't lie.
Oh except if you are snowboarding? wTF?
There is no doubt though I really miss the ease of setting up quickly, no pumping, and I missed the apparent wind build up until I found the edge.
I'm seriously intrigued with fly surfers chronic though, demo arriving over here end of the month. I will be testing and reviewing the shit out of it.
Agreed on the Cronix - I'm looking forward to testing one soon.
Life_Is_Awesome wrote:Dude, no need to take a contrary opinion personally. Snow kiting and kitesurfing - same sport, different medium. I do both equally. I don't think it's hard to understand the point. The point is you're flying a kite for both and performance demands in the air are not materially different. On the water, LEIs are preferred. On the snow, foils are preferred. Why? Well if the performance demands are the same, it must have something to do with the medium (water vs. snow). Otherwise, if LEIs were really so much better you would still see a bias toward them on the snow, as well as on the water. So, in my humble observations, the performance differences are overstated.Westozzy wrote:Snow kiters? What has that got to do with the price of eggs? KITE - SURFING....not snow boarding...
Because they won't relaunch hey that's the only reason?
For the average punter who is not unhooking and not smacking their kite in the drink which comes with the territory when learning wake style, I would say I could always get my foils up out of the water way quicker than a LEI if you know what you are doing. But yes if left there for a while you can get in trouble.
Nope I changed from foils to LEIs purely on performance alone and trust me I held off for a long time after they died a quick death over here.
In light winds they have their place, but board selection is crucial. You have to remember the pros push the sport and the hence the wings capability to its very maximum, and they ride leis, except a few riders who have my respect IMO. You can bang on about marketing conspiracy and all that jazz but in the end the market will tell you what is best and what isn't and the numbers don't lie.
Oh except if you are snowboarding? wTF?
There is no doubt though I really miss the ease of setting up quickly, no pumping, and I missed the apparent wind build up until I found the edge.
I'm seriously intrigued with fly surfers chronic though, demo arriving over here end of the month. I will be testing and reviewing the shit out of it.
Agreed on the Cronix - I'm looking forward to testing one soon.