Faxie wrote:Maybe get the definition of 'mini 5th' straight.... I think thats the reason for the argument you're having....
mini-5th creates slack on the two rear lines, tension on the two center lines, and relies on the bridle to depower the kite. It requires a working bridle designed for mini-5th to work properly. so for instance if you use a cabrinha IDS on a fuel 4 line C kite and pull the primary QR, the C kite will fly all day on the center lines.
a single center line flagging system releases the tension on 3 of the 4 lines and allows the kite to flap in the wind. If you use a single line center system on a fuel 4 line C kite the kite will spin like crazy and fall to the ground.
There are two ways to make a mini-5th line system. One way is to create a ridiculously long throw, like the ocean rodeo bar, I think it has 3 meters of throw. The other way is to have a line that passes up to the Y split, and release to that. This is the system that best and cabrinha use. As far as the kite is concerned it can't tell the difference between an ocean rodeo rider letting go of the bar and a cabrinha rider pulling the IDS. For the mini-5th line systems I think only Ocean Rodeo uses this super long throw everyone else has some kind of IDS or best redline system.
Actually you can ride a lot of the single center line flagging systems as a mini-5th system if instead of leashing to the normal flag out system, you leash instead to the trim rope knob. So for instance you can leash to the end of the liquid force trim knob, and if you release do it, the chicken line will pull all the way out, I know a lot of people locally that like to ride this way because reride is easier.