JGTR wrote:I think Ludmil is referring to the 5th line, 4 line kite you can untangle lines by passing bar through lines after a roll, 5th line you can't.
Nothing wrong with Torch but you fly what suits you best, if you don't like 5th line then that's your opinion but it's not a fault with the kite.
Yes 5th line wraps can be a pain and do happen but Ive got used to them, learn to not do the things that case wraps don't happen much these days
Despite Dirk explains his concerns /don`t know his actual experience/ he mentioned "both kites"
and that was the way to understand which he refers to - Park mentioned by PP or Torch and Vegas .
From my point of view,concerning flat water conditions the whole "5th line tangling problem" is nonsence, especially in suicide mode.
I rode 4line hybrid w/ low V for a season, after years of riding Torches. Now I`m back.
Believe it or not I had more difficulties relaunching the 4 liner.As for the inverting issue according to me 4 liners are more prone to that.On the other hand in most cases to pass the bar through the tangled lines when the kite is pulling you remains a good wish /at least for me,had line tahgled around my leg/.
Anyway, as always "+" and "-" in both.
To each his own...