Agreed, John. It is such bullshit. The wildlife protection decisions are not even logical any more and are denying the public access to land we own. At least build a case/proof before banning...but, they don't have to so they won't. I am convinced that it is just fear of liability. They are afraid of being sued by an organization like Audubon for failing to protect the wildlife as per their charter, so they are just preemptively cutting off access. Our government needs to adjust the charter/legislation that governs NPS and FWS and give them more flexibility and liability protection.Johhnn wrote:It _is_ unbelievable and unfair. Instead of a complete ban, why not just set up a few simple guidelines? Have designated launch and land areas, maybe using 200 feet of beach near each parking spot and away from birds. Make sure riders know to launch and immediately get off the beach and enjoy the water. There is a lot of open space there on Cape Cod. I go there as often as I can, several times a year. Surely there is a way that we all can enjoy it without having a detrimental impact on the natural environment.
Most people I have met think kitesurfing is, what superlative shall I use?, "super cool?" The other day while I was setting up, someone, on their own initiative, corralled their kids for a few minutes and told them, "Stay with me, out of his way for a minute and watch this. This is the greatest thing I've ever seen." Or something close to that. So, I think we should talk to people on the beach who are curious, be friendly, kind of like "ambassadors" of the sport. Then in addition try to set up something that's not too onerous (a loose organization), that helps us to keep access. This really applies to any beach where rules are becoming restrictive.
I signed the petition as did my wife and I forwarded it to as many people as I thought would be willing to sign it. Please, everyone, sign it.
It is pure, unadulterated BULLSHIT that kiters are"having a detrimental impact on the natural environment.". Even if it were true (and could be PROVEN) that kites scare some retarded birds, it is OBVIOUSLY IMPOSSIBLE to show that this occasional supposed fear has any adverse effect on the wildlife.CaptainArgh wrote:Agreed, John. It is such bullshit. The wildlife protection decisions are not even logical any more and are denying the public access to land we own. At least build a case/proof before banning...but, they don't have to so they won't. I am convinced that it is just fear of liability. They are afraid of being sued by an organization like Audubon for failing to protect the wildlife as per their charter, so they are just preemptively cutting off access. Our government needs to adjust the charter/legislation that governs NPS and FWS and give them more flexibility and liability protection.Johhnn wrote:It _is_ unbelievable and unfair. Instead of a complete ban, why not just set up a few simple guidelines? Have designated launch and land areas, maybe using 200 feet of beach near each parking spot and away from birds. Make sure riders know to launch and immediately get off the beach and enjoy the water. There is a lot of open space there on Cape Cod. I go there as often as I can, several times a year. Surely there is a way that we all can enjoy it without having a detrimental impact on the natural environment.
Most people I have met think kitesurfing is, what superlative shall I use?, "super cool?" The other day while I was setting up, someone, on their own initiative, corralled their kids for a few minutes and told them, "Stay with me, out of his way for a minute and watch this. This is the greatest thing I've ever seen." Or something close to that. So, I think we should talk to people on the beach who are curious, be friendly, kind of like "ambassadors" of the sport. Then in addition try to set up something that's not too onerous (a loose organization), that helps us to keep access. This really applies to any beach where rules are becoming restrictive.
I signed the petition as did my wife and I forwarded it to as many people as I thought would be willing to sign it. Please, everyone, sign it.
I also agree with what you said regarding bystanders watching you. I was kiting on the beach in Pea Island this spring. Kite ban signage has been slowly going up and this is the first year we heard rumors of warnings/citations so were not sure what to expect. Every time I saw someone come up with a clip board or binoculars to watch us I figured we were fucked. But, every time we went up to say "hello" they were just walking up to watch the kites, were friendly, and amazed with the sport!
It just seems like a very small group of people is organized enough to limit the activities of a very large group of people, and they have so little rationale for their decisions.
Nah, that's not the point. This is what happened in Hatteras. Audobon sued the park service for not protecting the wildlife, now they are gun shy and closing shit off left and right to avoid more trouble. (yes, it is more complex than that, but there's my Executive Summary).RichardM wrote:...
I disagree that "They are afraid of being sued by an organization like Audubon for failing to protect the wildlife as per their charter, so they are just preemptively cutting off access." All the individual employees have total immunity from liability and the ONLY downside for them if they are sued is that some of them will have to do more WORK by being involved with attorneys. How many times have you heard of a government employee who was FIRED because his org got sued?
I think you're off your rocker with conspiracy theories here, but, I won't argue with you on this thread further about it. I know you can run on like diarrhea on this topic and I don't have the time to keep up with you.RichardM wrote:...The REAL reasons are that the various governmental bodies want to continue restricting the public as a means of control..
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