gaffer wrote:comments on my method welcome (please try to be constructive) Hi Gaffer I'll use your (srandard method to illisrate the improvement in my method,,thanks)
pump up kite Same
unwind line walking downwind of kite unwind side wind for launch no dragging the beach for sticks
place bar on ground upside down Same
put some sand on the bar to hold it still no need for this
walk back to the kite running all lines through your fingers(this is the most time consuming frustrating part of kiting skip it no need for finger jiggling) removing twists and checking for nicks, knots or damage
attach centre lines to front of kite Do this before you unwrap the bar(first thing)
attach outer lines to rear of kite After you unwrap the bar walk both backlines to the kite and hook them up you are done
walk back to bar pick it up and visually check no twists Same
walk bar to side of the window and rotate 180 so its the right way up no need for this
walk back to kite and sand the tip ready for launch
get the bar and walk away from kite to tension the lines Same
visually check that the bar is the right way in your hands and no twists
launch the kite Same
plus points of this method
you are downwind during line rigging, it the kite moves in a gust you can grab it
if you misjudge the side of the window (or are to lazy to go all the way to the edge) the kite will not hot launch the kite can launch any time you tug on the lines
zero chance of wrong connection if you do the visual checkevery wrong line case sofar proves this is simply untrue[/bs
fokiten wrote:Steve,
one more thing,,
You are a kite instructor,, people pay you for advice
They PAY YOU FOR THE BEST ADVICE YOU CAN GIVE
you have spent several post trying to knock me (the method)down,,
you say you understand my method,,
I bet you will not use it
even though it is far better than yours
It is your EGO that drives you,, YOU TAKE THE MONEY
and let your EGO run your lessons
You are an nice person for not listening to good common sense
and teaching old outdated proven BAD rigging,,
f***-off
fokiten
Hey gyru,gyru wrote:First of all: fokiten you are a great!
but kitepower can only be a troll, I cant believe someone still doesnt understand your method.
I did not try it yet, so I cant say the final word, but it seems promising.
BTW, I agree it is only a matter of connecting 4 lines!
Me I use the most standard method, just walk side-upwind, then walk back untangling and finally connect using the brain.
I admit I f*** up 5% of the times when I am really in a hurry, but I always realize it when I am holding the bar ready to launch, and I dont understand how someone else could not!
But I also want my dose of fucks, so I will tell u the only doubt I have. IF you dont have a spinnable system (wishard or similar) dont you think you may end up with the 2 central lines twisted? I guess one could easily fix it properly rotating the central loop just before hooking, but this could be annoying expecially if you have a leash on a central line. By my point of view this could be the only advantage of the traditional method I use.
One last thing:
I would be extremely gratefull if, between two fucks, you may tell me your opinion on the hooked-unhooked launching issue.
My opinion is that is quite crazy to launch un-hooked (I mean ALSO from central loop) expecially in high winds, wou will have the kite full power!
greetings to everybody
gyru
gyru wrote:First of all: fokiten you are a great!
but kitepower can only be a troll, I cant believe someone still doesnt understand your method.
I did not try it yet, so I cant say the final word, but it seems promising.
BTW, I agree it is only a matter of connecting 4 lines!
Me I use the most standard method, just walk side-upwind, then walk back untangling and finally connect using the brain.
I admit I f*** up 5% of the times when I am really in a hurry, but I always realize it when I am holding the bar ready to launch, and I dont understand how someone else could not!
But I also want my dose of fucks, so I will tell u the only doubt I have. IF you dont have a spinnable system (wishard or similar) dont you think you may end up with the 2 central lines twisted? I guess one could easily fix it properly rotating the central loop just before hooking, but this could be annoying expecially if you have a leash on a central line. By my point of view this could be the only advantage of the traditional method I use.
One last thing:
I would be extremely gratefull if, between two fucks, you may tell me your opinion on the hooked-unhooked launching issue.
My opinion is that is quite crazy to launch un-hooked (I mean ALSO from central loop) expecially in high winds, wou will have the kite full power!
greetings to everybody
gyru
kitepower wrote:G'day
I understand what Fokiten is saying, I disagree that it is a totally foolproof and safe system, and I have yet to see that in any system.
Fokiten fails to admit that rigging even side downwind leads to potentially fatal errors at launch, regardless, of the FACT, that I agree that his line connection method is good!
If you are using a spinning system, have a dick in your c-loop, to stop it falling off then you basically have to launch hooked in, and you need to be extra careful. Always fully depower the kite by pulling in on you trim strap/cleat before launch, and let it out again once you are on the water. Always choose to launch so that you do not have to fly through zenith to get your board and get to the water.
On the personal attack on me being a troll, read up a bit on what that is.
I post under my real name, and I can be found in my shop every day, this is not what a troll is, ok?
gyru wrote:First of all: fokiten you are a great!
but kitepower can only be a troll, I cant believe someone still doesnt understand your method.
I did not try it yet, so I cant say the final word, but it seems promising.
BTW, I agree it is only a matter of connecting 4 lines!
Me I use the most standard method, just walk side-upwind, then walk back untangling and finally connect using the brain.
I admit I f*** up 5% of the times when I am really in a hurry, but I always realize it when I am holding the bar ready to launch, and I dont understand how someone else could not!
But I also want my dose of fucks, so I will tell u the only doubt I have. IF you dont have a spinnable system (wishard or similar) dont you think you may end up with the 2 central lines twisted? I guess one could easily fix it properly rotating the central loop just before hooking, but this could be annoying expecially if you have a leash on a central line. By my point of view this could be the only advantage of the traditional method I use.
One last thing:
I would be extremely gratefull if, between two fucks, you may tell me your opinion on the hooked-unhooked launching issue.
My opinion is that is quite crazy to launch un-hooked (I mean ALSO from central loop) expecially in high winds, wou will have the kite full power!
greetings to everybody
gyru
MadMick wrote:I cannot understand Fok's rigging method at all !!!
Even I am dumb,or the explanation is not clear,or the system is just stupid!
Steve is not a "Troll"
He is just trying to get some sense out of Fokiten,who,by his abusive and inflamitary posts,would be the Troll !
kitepower wrote:G'day
I understand what Fokiten is saying, I disagree that it is a totally foolproof and safe system, and I have yet to see that in any system.
Fokiten fails to admit that rigging even side downwind leads to potentially fatal errors at launch, regardless, of the FACT, that I agree that his line connection method is good!
If you are using a spinning system, have a dick in your c-loop, to stop it falling off then you basically have to launch hooked in, and you need to be extra careful. Always fully depower the kite by pulling in on you trim strap/cleat before launch, and let it out again once you are on the water. Always choose to launch so that you do not have to fly through zenith to get your board and get to the water.
On the personal attack on me being a troll, read up a bit on what that is.
I post under my real name, and I can be found in my shop every day, this is not what a troll is, ok?
gyru wrote:First of all: fokiten you are a great!
but kitepower can only be a troll, I cant believe someone still doesnt understand your method.
I did not try it yet, so I cant say the final word, but it seems promising.
BTW, I agree it is only a matter of connecting 4 lines!
Me I use the most standard method, just walk side-upwind, then walk back untangling and finally connect using the brain.
I admit I f*** up 5% of the times when I am really in a hurry, but I always realize it when I am holding the bar ready to launch, and I dont understand how someone else could not!
But I also want my dose of fucks, so I will tell u the only doubt I have. IF you dont have a spinnable system (wishard or similar) dont you think you may end up with the 2 central lines twisted? I guess one could easily fix it properly rotating the central loop just before hooking, but this could be annoying expecially if you have a leash on a central line. By my point of view this could be the only advantage of the traditional method I use.
One last thing:
I would be extremely gratefull if, between two fucks, you may tell me your opinion on the hooked-unhooked launching issue.
My opinion is that is quite crazy to launch un-hooked (I mean ALSO from central loop) expecially in high winds, wou will have the kite full power!
greetings to everybody
gyru
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