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Re: Naish Foiling 2018

Postby Peter_Frank » Thu Sep 21, 2017 7:46 am

Then it might work yes, when clean waves and light wind :D

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Re: Naish Foiling 2018

Postby Starsky » Thu Sep 21, 2017 1:48 pm

Kiting a 120L board with a windfoil would be quite different from using a kite foil and board.

In general the learning curve is fairly different from how most perceive it before getting their feet wet. Foinling is a tough one to be accurate with "on paper" predictions without any practical experience. Naish are certainly not advertising that windfoil as suitable for kiting. The 3 in 1 they refer to with that board is Windfoil, SUPfoil, and SUp. With both of those foil disciplines being far less maneuverable than the average kite set up. The distance from the front wing to mast is quite a bit bigger on a windfoil, the fuse a lot longer, the rudder larger The whole unit heavier and a 2.28m board is a massive amount of swing weight for kiting. Once you account for the low apparent wind gains and overall weight of that set up the low end advantage over traditional kiting could be negligible.

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Re: Naish Foiling 2018

Postby marlboroughman » Thu Sep 21, 2017 4:09 pm

I am interested in foiling for the first time only because of the versatility Naish is proposing. So I am thinking of using Naish Thrust WS 1 foil to learn kite foiling using my old 5'6" surf board via foilmount and later add Naish 120 crossover for windsurfing and SUP only.

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Re: Naish Foiling 2018

Postby Starsky » Thu Sep 21, 2017 8:53 pm

Looking at where the tracks are on their windfoil boards compared to where they are on their SUP foil boards, it looks like the crossover is meant to take the surf foil, not their windfoil. The windfoil has the mast further back on the fuse to go with the tracks being near the tail of the boards. The crossover has tracks positioned like their SUPs. It is basically their 120L sup with a mast track and inserts for straps.

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Re: Naish Foiling 2018

Postby airsail » Thu Sep 21, 2017 10:04 pm

I bought this one due to the ability to use the sane foil with different disciplines. I'm a newb at foiling so can't provide a good review as I'm still at the leaning to gybe point and have had little exposure to other foils.
Construction seems quite good with a sealed mast, front wing is are carbon foam sandwich and rear is solid carbon. Neat adjustment for the rear wing but it does mean you will mess with it when disassembling for cleaning but the give you a default mark to give you a guide as to where to start. All the screws are M6, even the base plate to board connection, they use there own stainless M6 T nuts rather than the bronze M8's other foils use. The screws are colour coded but the colour disappears after a few rides. The mast trailing edge is bloody sharp, cut my mates hand when he was having a go. The whole foil is very rigid when assembled, much more than the North Speedster that I compared it to.

Top speed will be around the 25 knot mark, it starts to hum above 20 but quiet below that. Seems stable on the water, with a fairly even foot pressure front and back but that is with the rear wing in the default position so could be changed as required.
It needs a bit more speed to fly than my previous foil (home made with large front wing) so I porpoised a bit at the early stages but once up it flys well. The big rear fin definitely helps with down wind, keeps it tracking and stable. A mate rode it who is much more experienced and said it wasn't as easy to ride as his old Carafino foil but he didn't elaborate. As I said, I'm a newb so can't offer a lot of insight into performance but I'm happy with my purchase. It is priced on the high side of alloy foils but the interchangeable wings and masts sold it for me. I'm currently fitting tracks to a sailboard for it.

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Re: Naish Foiling 2018

Postby marlboroughman » Thu Sep 21, 2017 11:30 pm

Starsky wrote:
Thu Sep 21, 2017 8:53 pm
Looking at where the tracks are on their windfoil boards compared to where they are on their SUP foil boards, it looks like the crossover is meant to take the surf foil, not their windfoil. The windfoil has the mast further back on the fuse to go with the tracks being near the tail of the boards. The crossover has tracks positioned like their SUPs. It is basically their 120L sup with a mast track and inserts for straps.
Nice catch Starsky. That's even better because I like the smaller surf wing more for my 76kg. I always use smaller gear so perfect.

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Re: Naish Foiling 2018

Postby Slappysan » Wed Oct 04, 2017 10:24 pm

I would love to hear from someone who has the Hover 120 or Hover 95 and the large surf foil how it behaves with a kite.

Why would I want to ride a slow foil on a giant board? Well for one if people can have fun on that setup with a sail, surely it would be more fun with a kite. Also a big part of the fun of foiling for me is the exploration, having a SUP board to fall back on would allow me to venture further than 1-2 km from the beach with the security of being able to knee paddle it home if the wind dies.

I also kite in very light winds (6-15 knots) so I regularly have 45 minute swims in with my 17m kite in tow if it hits the water under 9 knots. I think you would be able to relaunch while standing on a SUP in lighter winds than you could while in the water too.

Then on top of that, you get both a SUP surf board and a SUP foilboard for wave sup.

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Re: Naish Foiling 2018

Postby Dwight » Thu Oct 05, 2017 12:55 am

Slappysan,

I have tried a SUP foil mounted to a SUP with a kite. Not the Naish, but my problems with it still apply.

The problem is getting started. It’s very hard to flip SUP on edge to start. Starting it flat is also super hard.

It’s just easier and more fun to bolt the SUP foil to a small kiteboard.

Btw, I have the Naish SUP foil. It arrived today. Now I have to wait for wind to calm down. It’s gusting to near 40.

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Re: Naish Foiling 2018

Postby Slappysan » Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:02 am

Dwight wrote:
Thu Oct 05, 2017 12:55 am
Starting it flat is also super hard.
I'm curious why it's hard to start flat. I would imagine you just learn the foot placement behind a boat or as SUP on a wave then just put your feet there and start power strokin'. When you start on a normal kite foilboard you get up a a planing hull first, then transition on to the foil. With the SUP you just skip the first step.

That's just theory though, in practice there might be issues.

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Re: Naish Foiling 2018

Postby Jzh_perth » Thu Oct 05, 2017 5:20 am

Peter_Frank wrote:
Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:41 pm
I would highly warn against using a short 70 cm mast for kitefoiling in the surf, too short and not good IMO :(

For SUP it should be fine, but that is a very different thing.

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Hi PF. I am now riding a 76cm mast exclusively in the surf with a Takuma SUP foil no problems. In fact, it makes the foil a bit more responsive too. Gunnar uses his with 60cm regularly. I see Stef from Ketos also uses shorter mast in waves too

https://vimeo.com/226702637

I think long mast is more of a course racing thing where they ride upwind for long distances and rail clearance to water is an issue. I find in waves I am more upright and clearance from the rail to water is not an issue.


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