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 Post subject: Safety Systems tested in German Mag!!!
PostPosted: Thu Jul 22, 2004 4:42 pm 
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you will be surprised about the results of the Quick Releases.
I didn't read the full article yet, but got an info from Shiro (Cabrinha Germany) with overall marks.
The test has been done by Michael Starken, who is the of the German Kitesurf Trophy, which is the tour with the highest safety standards worldwide. Michael is testing under load every bar and its quick releases prior to the event and marks the tested bars so no one can use another bar after the test. If they are over the limit, that bar will be forbidden for the competition!

Advance: the relatively big velcro becomes a break when you want to release it
Airush: inadequate
Challenger: very bad
EH: acceptable
Flysurfer: good
F.One: good
Gaastra: inadequate
Globerider: inadequate
JN: bad
Naish: bad
North Sceptor: very bad
Ocean Rodeo: bad
Peter Lynn: very bad
RRD: inadequate
Slingshot: very bad
X-Shooter: very good

Cabrinha: some discussions about it, so here the full text and a statement:
the more pressure on the QR, the easier it releases. With 150kg pressure it releases with only 2kg, which is a record. But it can also lead to failures and it will open by itself. Result for the safety leash: very bad.

The complete reviews will be in the latest issue of the KITE magazine 04/2004.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 22, 2004 6:15 pm 
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So we have 16 brands tested.

And the result is

very good - 1
good - 2
acceptable - 1
inadequate - 3
bad - 5
very bad - 4
The one from advance I don't know where to put it :o

This is concerning, all of us want's cheaper's kite but who will pay the R&D for safety, from this test we can see that we are completly in stone age regardling to safety that come with the bars.
This results should be completly the inverse it's absurd to have 12 under the acceptable on a test regarding 16

The very good it's a bit suspicious but I will give you a the value of doubt :thumb:

I think this is a good basis of work to start with


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 22, 2004 6:22 pm 
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confusion!
Now I understood what you meant!
I thought you wanted to give marks like in the school, not how many bars are this or that.

more like this:

very good
good
acceptable
bad
very bad
inadequate

The test is not done by me or officially published by me.
And this info is from a distributor of a different brand.

So I have no influence whatsoever in this result, nor is it a misprint from me.

Dont't think I would promote something unsafe out of commercial interest.
That is not me.

The Masterpiece is excellent, this is just the official confirmation.
But being very good has a price, since it is no cheap China production...

Greets
Toby


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 22, 2004 6:40 pm 
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sorry I get confused

very good 1
good 2
acceptable 3
bad 4
very bad 5
inadequate 6 = 1+2+3+4+5+6 = 21 I don't see 21 brands in the post :roll:

the masterpiece it was a compliment from me for your work on it :thumb:


even staying like that it very disturbing to have 15 under acceptable


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 22, 2004 6:49 pm 
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interresting figures indeed...
but a test result without test protocol is meaningless...

can you post the details on how the test was conducted and what was measured/tested/verified so that everyone can have a proper idea

ps: surprised but not contesting so far


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The X-shooter is German....the only bar getting a "very good" rating and done by a German. Is he in anyway connected with the X-Shooter company? I have hung from the ceiling in my SS chicken loop with weight attached to me and pulled the QR...it releases everytime easily no matter what the load...what is he talking about? Whats "very bad " about that?


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 22, 2004 8:05 pm 
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In the medical world there are also so called blind tests from independent sources :lol:
I know cause I've done those too !
Now the strange thing is that depending on the way the tests were conducted the outcome changed alot. You can have tests made by universities about the same product all over the world and some will say it's an excellent product and some not ...
The problem with testing something is that the test has to as close as possible to the reality. Kitesurfing has so many variables that it is almost impossible to test it correctly in a lab-environnement.

On another note I question Toby's independancy. Again in the medical world when you wanna sell a product, all you have to do is mention all the tests that have been done by independant sources that had a good outcome about the product you wanna sell, and FORGET THE OTHER TESTS. 8)

Nice forum and if you wanna make money out of it, no problem with me I'll keep reading it but don't buy everything I read.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 22, 2004 8:11 pm 
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after looking at the xshooter materpeice bar, http://gallery.kiteforum.com/gallery/albur53 for ~250 euros it seems like a rip off. To me their pics look like crap. It would be nice to have some specifics for the test. and reasons for the bad grade. What we need is some company like consumer reports to evaluate a set of bars & safety equipment.


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 Post subject: BAD
PostPosted: Thu Jul 22, 2004 8:14 pm 
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The Naish quick release is pretty good if you ask me


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 22, 2004 9:02 pm 
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Damn assholes,

there are too many morons in this world. Read what he has said. The test was done by a magazine, and it is not a french magazine or a US magazine that would always put a national company first, it is a german magazine.

Toby, was the x-shooter bar tested a masterpiece bar, or the one from last year ??

I think we all need to wait a little for the test to appear completely, so we know what was tested.

grtz,
Dènis

P.S. pics looking crap, who cares, the bar looks great.


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