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 Post subject: 5th line on cabrinha bow?
PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 5:26 am 
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Thinking of fitting a 5th line to a contra 12m... Anybody tried this? any issues... is the pump leash attachment strong enough to withstand the stress, or should I fit it on a V bridle with the first 2 bridles points on the leading edge?

doing alot of solo riding, and need a safe self land option (the kite is second hand with no oh-shit handles on the bar (front or rear line)


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 1:26 am 
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You may want to rethink the 5th line option

it would be cheap and easy to add a grab ball to one or both of the front lines so that you could flag it out to either side. the way it was intended

is this a stock bar? there should be a ring or ball to do this already

a 5th line is not neccessary

wait...there are second hand 12 contra bows out there already?


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DONT add a 5th line to the kite
a) the kite is designed to fly on 4 lines, wont be as safe on 5 lines.
b) you wont have quick easy self launch and relaunch, needed esspeccaily in surf.

There should be a flagging ball attatched to the yellow inside line on the kite. If you need to land the kite in windy conditions, grab that ball and unhook let the kite completely go, even un attach your saftey to the kite, attatch your safety to the flagging ball and let go, kite will depower, then walk towars the kite, holding line, working your way up it.
EASY AND SAFE.

LB :thumb:


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 5:33 pm 
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whipPed wrote:

grab that ball and unhook let the kite completely go, even un attach your saftey to the kite, attatch your safety to the flagging ball and let go, kite will depower, then walk towars the kite, holding line, working your way up it. LB :thumb:


Wouldn't it be safer to have leader line, instead of kite line, to hold with your hand' while you are working your way, along the line, to the previously released bar? You would have to modify the center lines so that you had enough leader line so that the kite could completely flag out. Maybe you could make your own front line setup with Q Power and spectra leader line. The proper length for the leader line would probably be the distance from wingtip to wingtip of the largest kite you would be using with that bar.

Also, after you have pulled in enough of the leader line to recover the bar, wouldn't you want to wind all the rest of the lines on the bar while you are working your way to the kite? This would prevent the lines from becoming a tangled mess, accidental relaunching by having lines catching on seaweed, or rocks, and also protect the rider from getting tangled in the loose lines.

It seems like a good idea, to me, to modify both of the front lines and therefore, have two of the "flagging balls", giving the rider a choice for attachment of the leash. I knew of a kiter who had a bridle line flip over the wingtip on the side of the kite to which the front line having the "flagging ball" was attached. The kite became like a propeller, dragging her out of control, toward shore. Her front line safety system was effectively disabled, and since she had let go of the bar, had no control over the kite, and was being dragged by the safety leash. She had to totally release the kite, by pulling the secondary release on the safety leash itself, and the kite then flew away. If she had been given a choice of having a "flagging ball" on the other front line, she could have possibly switched the safety to the other ball and safely flagged out the kite.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 6:09 am 
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Use your flagging ball on the Cabrinha kites. They are there for a reason. Dont do the 5th line thing.


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5th on a bridle kite will not relaunch well.

Its pointless using 5th as a safety if the out of balance design has too much sweep.

Heres a simple test.
Bow kites are like a dirty old chopped toenail, rocking backwards on the ground. Check it out for your self. :thumb:

The kite is out of balance in this ideal depowered luffed position.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 6:51 am 
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Well, it's for my brother's kite, he got the kite from one of their pro riders and it has no safety that will flag the kite (no rings, balls, or handles)... He's having issues with the contra wanting to relaunch all the time and can't seem to get control of it, at most of our spots kites are self landed onto water and his kite just keeps dragging him around in the water. he's pretty novice and has only had the kite for a short while so he may need to experiment more a get a technique down.

He's been watching me on my Rebel and loves the idea of a fith line to land his kite when he's alone...

I'll probably try to fly his kite a couple of times to see what he's talking about...


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 4:49 pm 
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He needs to push the bar past the override ball and let the kite depower all the way. If it's still pulling/wanting to relaunch with the bar all the way out, it's not set up right.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 5:03 pm 
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Experimental player wrote:
5th on a bridle kite will not relaunch well.

Its pointless using 5th as a safety if the out of balance design has too much sweep.

Heres a simple test.
Bow kites are like a dirty old chopped toenail, rocking backwards on the ground. Check it out for your self. :thumb:

The kite is out of balance in this ideal depowered luffed position.


Do you feel that "Bow" kites respond differently than "SLE" kites when a 5th. line is used as a safety?

What kind of experiments did you do to check it out?


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