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 Post subject: Core sensor bar question
PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 10:08 am 
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Just wondering if anyone uses the new core sensor bar? Question i have is when you release the safety, will the kite flag on one front line or both?

Also how far from the cleat do the front lines split. Can someone post a pic? I cant find one online.


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 Post subject: Re: Core sensor bar question
PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 11:20 pm 
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I just started using one a 2 weeks ago - previously using the Core ESP bar. Both bars are great but very different. I defo like the Sensor bar better - lighter, simpler, super easy power adjustment, great lines, nice swiveling C-loop, easy to maintain, same Core quality and workmanship throughout.

I've sand tested the QR (which is uniquely a "twist" mechanism) and it releases fine. There was a video about 6 months ago showing a problem with this but Core had recalled the problem and adjusted the design.

The front-line safety is also very different than the ESP on the Sensor. If you activate the QR in normal mode the kite is depowered on both front lines. You can also ride it suicide mode.

The center line "Y" is probably around 7-8m from the bar. I will try to measure it next time I use it, and I'll try to take some photos too. I imagine the distance/geometry of the "Y" is established for the bigger kites, and the distance for smaller kites could probably be shorter, but then you need to reconfigure the outside lines as well - probably no worth the hassle - and then the bar would not be safe for bigger kites.

On my ESP bar I added an OSR handle on one of the outside lines (as the bar does not have this feature out of the box). I'm thinking of doing the same on this bar (if I do so I'll do both lines as it is probably easier to do both). I realize some people disagree with (and think it's dangerous) using an OSR on the new kites but I'm into redundancy when it comes to safety systems. So please do not consider this a recommmendation for everyone - simply a personal choice of mine.


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 Post subject: Re: Core sensor bar question
PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 1:27 pm 
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Hi Roberto, I also own both a Sensor and an ESP bar. I frankly never compared the 2 security systems, I presumed they were the same (more or less) and that only the activation (ESP pushing, Sensor rotating) was really different. I noticed the mini fifth is bigger in size in the Sensor but that's all. Why do you please think they are so different regarding security? It's very interesting to me!

Thank you!


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 Post subject: Re: Core sensor bar question
PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 5:39 am 
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pmaggie wrote:
Hi Roberto, I also own both a Sensor and an ESP bar. I frankly never compared the 2 security systems, I presumed they were the same (more or less) and that only the activation (ESP pushing, Sensor rotating) was really different. I noticed the mini fifth is bigger in size in the Sensor but that's all. Why do you please think they are so different regarding security? It's very interesting to me!

Thank you!


Sorry I did not see your post earlier...I'm surprised that you think the bars ar so similar, but that's OK I guess...To try to answer your question about "security": I think the new Sensor bar does the same as the ESP but with a simpler design that does not rely on the thin "mini-fifth line", The Sensor only has the two 5mm (?) lines so this is more secure in my opinion. Also, if one of these 2 center lines breaks you will not loose the kite entirely.

If I'm not answereing our question please be more specific and I will try again.

WildDuke - a couple of pics per your request. The distance from the cleat to the split where the front lines are connected is approx 14' ( 4.25 m) so I over estimated in my first post above. And to try to answer your first queston better - the kite flags* on both front lines.

(* by "flag" that is to say the kite "luffs" on both front lines. The term "flag" to me means flying from one line only - just a matter of how you want to define it I guess.)

Otherwise I continue to enjoy this new bar immensely. The depower action is super smooth, easy (requires very little force), and fast.

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- bar shown upside down - I guess they put the "Stop" on there as a warning.. I was setting up downwind that day.
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 Post subject: Re: Core sensor bar question
PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 6:51 am 
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Robertovillate says:
- bar shown upside down - I guess they put the "Stop" on there as a warning.. I was setting up downwind that day.- :wink:

Actually the stop is to deter thieves that are thinking of stealing this fantastic bar. I also have both the ESP and the Sensor bar. I agree with everything Roberto says on the new Sensor bar. What I really like about the Sensor is that it is so light and fits in the hands so comfortably. Try one.

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 Post subject: Re: Core sensor bar question
PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 10:06 am 
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Hi Roberto,
thanks for your answer. Actually, I noticed some difference while riding, the new Sensor is lighter and more responsive. I'm not an expert, so I frankly did not think it was safer to have two bigger ropes than a very thin mini fifth and now that you told me I really agree!! When you wrote the Sensor was safer, I thought it was something regarding the way this new bar could flag the kite, I did not thought at the rope size.


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 Post subject: Re: Core sensor bar question
PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 7:04 am 
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Thank you all and particularly Robertoville! I appreciate the time and effort you took to answer my question! Cheers! :)


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 Post subject: Re: Core sensor bar question
PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 9:03 am 
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Is there a stopper ball available for this bar?


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 Post subject: Re: Core sensor bar question
PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 11:43 am 
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robertovillate wrote:
Sorry I did not see your post earlier...I'm surprised that you think the bars ar so similar, but that's OK I guess...To try to answer your question about "security": I think the new Sensor bar does the same as the ESP but with a simpler design that does not rely on the thin "mini-fifth line", The Sensor only has the two 5mm (?) lines so this is more secure in my opinion. Also, if one of these 2 center lines breaks you will not loose the kite entirely.

If I'm not answereing our question please be more specific and I will try again.

WildDuke - a couple of pics per your request. The distance from the cleat to the split where the front lines are connected is approx 14' ( 4.25 m) so I over estimated in my first post above. And to try to answer your first queston better - the kite flags* on both front lines.

(* by "flag" that is to say the kite "luffs" on both front lines. The term "flag" to me means flying from one line only - just a matter of how you want to define it I guess.)

Otherwise I continue to enjoy this new bar immensely. The depower action is super smooth, easy (requires very little force), and fast.


Hiya,

Thanks for your comments mate. I see you are at the OBX, so I assume you know Epic kites.
Will this bar work with an Epic kite? How far up is the triangle?
Is there an option for a micro hook (Core had this on their bars previously) or is there a stopper ball?

Cheers
Caesar 8)


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 Post subject: Re: Core sensor bar question
PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 11:49 am 
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WildDuke wrote:
Is there a stopper ball available for this bar?

Yes, it is a Pro feature :

PRO STOPPER
For temporarily locking the bar position whilst riding and
especially during high jumps with long flight times.
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