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 Post subject: Re: Pacasmayo waves - Windsurfers have priority???
PostPosted: Fri Sep 06, 2013 12:26 pm 
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They have boats to take the surfers up the point... But only when is big.


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 Post subject: Re: Pacasmayo waves - Windsurfers have priority???
PostPosted: Fri Sep 06, 2013 12:47 pm 
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we got to change our and their name:
WE are true wind surfers, we use wind and a surf board, they use a HUGE board and a sail, Sail boarders.

I think we need to let them know that not only its been canceled, but also that we took their name.
WE ARE WINDSURFERS!!!

but of course, respect the right of way and any other ocean vessel/ user.
Remember, we have way more fun and they are just jealous . Be safe out there.


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 Post subject: Re: Pacasmayo waves - Windsurfers have priority???
PostPosted: Fri Sep 06, 2013 1:15 pm 
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you guys that think that the first one on the wave has priority......clearly don't know the rules of riding a wave.....as written by a surfer.

I would like to see you telling a surfer that you were first on HIS wave.

The only person that you can claim to be first on a wave is to another kitesurfer.

Grab a surfboard...learn to surf.....then make up the rules.


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 Post subject: Re: Pacasmayo waves - Windsurfers have priority???
PostPosted: Fri Sep 06, 2013 4:23 pm 
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I do not have any surfing background so I may miss a point somewhere BUT, to ME, nobody owns the sea, nobody owns a wave, nobody can tell someone that there is a law to observe and to agree with even if this law is not something really legal and written in a country.

Because you live near the sea gives you priority over somebody else? F...K NO!! Who are you to claim you deserve more respect than a man coming to the spot for the first time??? Apart being some selfish bastard with enormous ego, I don't see what can prove you're right!!!

If you are not intelligent enough to play on the sea (because that's what we do: play) in good terms with others, you should really take a therapy.

I read the same kind of message last year on a french forum: The authorities were looking to ban the access to a huge beach which is perfect for any wind activity: kite or windsurf. One guy was claiming over kitesurf forums that it was a good point as it will send back to their homes everybody coming to this beach for the week-end leaving him the place to practice his kite-buggy as he was just hating kitesurfers... He was saying that he could still go to this beach as he was a local rider and did not care about the laws but was ok with it so others could not come anymore. This kind of statment is just plain stupid and show how silly humans can be!!!

Now, when I kitesurf, I go far away offshore: far from the beginners so I do not disturb them from learning, far from the surfers because they crash regulary and do not respect the sailing priorities once in the waves, far from the so-called experts (by themselves) doing the wakestyle as they are freaking dangerous (claiming the flat water is THEIR riding area)... Well, I ride away from anyone who could disturb me or I could disturb myself but I find there are too many people thinking for themselves rather than looking at what goes around them...

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 06, 2013 5:16 pm 
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kenny KAF wrote:
I do not have any surfing background so I may miss a point somewhere BUT, to ME, nobody owns the sea, nobody owns a wave, nobody can tell someone that there is a law to observe and to agree with even if this law is not something really legal and written in a country.

Because you live near the sea gives you priority over somebody else? F...K NO!! Who are you to claim you deserve more respect than a man coming to the spot for the first time??? Apart being some selfish bastard with enormous ego, I don't see what can prove you're right!!!

If you are not intelligent enough to play on the sea (because that's what we do: play) in good terms with others, you should really take a therapy.

I read the same kind of message last year on a french forum: The authorities were looking to ban the access to a huge beach which is perfect for any wind activity: kite or windsurf. One guy was claiming over kitesurf forums that it was a good point as it will send back to their homes everybody coming to this beach for the week-end leaving him the place to practice his kite-buggy as he was just hating kitesurfers... He was saying that he could still go to this beach as he was a local rider and did not care about the laws but was ok with it so others could not come anymore. This kind of statment is just plain stupid and show how silly humans can be!!!

Now, when I kitesurf, I go far away offshore: far from the beginners so I do not disturb them from learning, far from the surfers because they crash regulary and do not respect the sailing priorities once in the waves, far from the so-called experts (by themselves) doing the wakestyle as they are freaking dangerous (claiming the flat water is THEIR riding area)... Well, I ride away from anyone who could disturb me or I could disturb myself but I find there are too many people thinking for themselves rather than looking at what goes around them...

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 Post subject: Re: Pacasmayo waves - Windsurfers have priority???
PostPosted: Fri Sep 06, 2013 7:46 pm 
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This written rule on the wall is actually a compliment to me as a kiter. The author of this board is obviously such a miesly and grumpy waterman that he needs a 'rule' to claim his authority? :D :D

Well, where I kite everything is in the water; surfer, kids, swimmer, windsurfer, j-boats, turtles and even sharks - guess what? WE ALL NEED TO GET ALONG. Good watermen know how to behave and give way regardless of their 'legal' status on (or in) the water. You give courtesy, you say 'yeah', you receive courtesy, you say 'thank you' and when you need courtesy, you apologize.

If someone really doesn't want me around why do I need to join a hostile environment? As a kiter I have the onlookers on my side anyway. :D

And as far as it goes for kids and surfers - I like them in the water - sharks see them first.

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 Post subject: Re: Pacasmayo waves - Windsurfers have priority???
PostPosted: Fri Sep 06, 2013 8:52 pm 
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donchin wrote:
you guys that think that the first one on the wave has priority......clearly don't know the rules of riding a wave.....as written by a surfer.

I would like to see you telling a surfer that you were first on HIS wave.

The only person that you can claim to be first on a wave is to another kitesurfer.

Grab a surfboard...learn to surf.....then make up the rules.


So...... because surfing was around before kiting they get to make all the rules? Is this this the case?

Should we apply this same theory to the road? perhaps we should have all road rules designed around the horse and cart because they were around before cars? That would make for some sensible rules.... Not.


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 Post subject: Re: Pacasmayo waves - Windsurfers have priority???
PostPosted: Fri Sep 06, 2013 11:57 pm 
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Surfers who don't know about kites do tend to get a bit nervous with lines passing over them, around them. Especially here we get a lot of dads who take out their little grommets from time to time. Hence when I see that I tend to stay well away. Dads get over protective as they should!

Also as I said they need to access the waves through a small window of space, we have far more versatility. Hence why I respect that.

Except what does piss me off is this. Surf has been crankin all day when there has been no wind. They have had 6 to 7 hours or classic wave time.

Then the wind kicks in and the is some dicksnap sitting there in 20 knots plus without a hope of hell getting a decently formed wave right at the best access point to a wave. Basically just getting in the way and being a fucking nuisance. They can't even make the first section yet we can and another and another and another...that gives me the shits.

It is then my theory above goes out the window and I will treat him like any kiter and windsurfer and follow the basic right of way of a wave.

But when in Rome as I say. I would say if I was in Hawaii I would be very careful to not piss off the locals as some of my mates have and well, lets say they didn't just have a chat with them. :D


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 Post subject: Re: Pacasmayo waves - Windsurfers have priority???
PostPosted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 12:21 am 
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plummet wrote:
Should we apply this same theory to the road? perhaps we should have all road rules designed around the horse and cart because they were around before cars? That would make for some sensible rules.... Not.

Ackshully . . . 7th from the top and 2nd up from the bottom.
http://www.dumblaws.com/laws/united-states/pennsylvania

And lest you think it's just the Seppo's - "In London, England, law required taxi drivers to carry a bale of hay on top of their caps to feed their horses. The law was in force until 1976."

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 Post subject: Re: Pacasmayo waves - Windsurfers have priority???
PostPosted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 12:37 am 
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Regarding windsurfers vs. kiteboarders issue in our friendly local community we are strangely outnumbered by windsurfing guys (10 guys vs. 5 kiters at best). I used to belong to the dark side so in my mind basic sailing rules apply. The less maneuverable vessel has right of way. Makes sense I think when on a collision course with a windsurfer. Get out of his way! It's a lot easier for us kiteboarders to change direction with a flashy jump transition, go upwind or downwind... whatever.

On a wave I would say is a different matter. Have to agree with the surfing rule of who's on the wave owns it.


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