Nice. It's always good to mod stuff so it suits you better.alexeyga wrote:You're in the right place then!
If you - just like me - were stupid enough to buy an Epic bar for your Epic (or non-Epic) kites, and if you're just like me - tired and fed up with Epic's "epical" customer service - you probably have one or two Epic bars laying around with a non-working trimmer or some other epically-failed piece.
But there's hope! So hang on!
As far as my bar is concerned, I've simply refused re-placing these faulty trimmers that were failing at a stupid rate and decided to do it my way. So here's an easy, step-by-step guide:
First and foremost, I've started by ordering some parts from Dimitri's best friends at: http://switchkites.com/
I've got the fallowing: That actually came out cheaper than 3 "under warranty" replacement trimmers from Dimitri, have no idea how that's possible!!!
Please note that replacing your Epic chicken loop is optional - my mod would've worked with the stock Epic chicken loop just as well. However I always hated mine since it's damaging the bar, creaking and cracking when jumping and unhooking when you don't want it too. There were also reports that it jams up completely and doesn't release when you really need it to... soooo long story short - I've replaced mine with the one from Switch even if it's the most expensive item on the list.
Then you'd need to find or to make a trimmer handle as Switch doesn't sell one. I made one my-self, but rumor is - North's is a direct fit: After getting all the parts:
Next step would be to find a solid 1-3 hours of your time, a clean space to lay everything down and some peace from the outside world. Here's the dreaded thing:
Please note that i've detached the flying lines.
And here's the main source of frustration towards this bar:
Along with the chickenloop (note the damage to the bar):
Now... GUT THE DAMN THING!!!:
Only items worth keeping are the stopper, the ball that goes underneath it and both front leaders (from where you front lines split).
And re-assemble everything with Switch parts, make sure to re-install both the stopper and the ball exactly the same way as it was stock:
Here goes my beautiful, hand-made handle (a 4th version actually - to be perfectly honest):
Note that i've already added velcro tabs on the trimmer body.
Isn't she something???:
B.T.W. Now would be a good time to scream "Huston!!! We have a problem!!!":
VS the stock one:
Exactly! The new setup is about 14-15" shorter than the stock one. There are 2 possible solutions:
1)Cut the rear leaders to length and make new knots with figure-8-s.
2)Find another way which requires less cutting and splicing
I went with the #2 - hey mom look, what do we have here???:
I'll be damned!!!:
Basically i've removed both left end right leaders that are under the foams and attached the longer segments directly to the bar:
Now we've got some meat to work with:
DONE!!!! Now however the front leaders are about 2" longer than the rear ones, but that's nothing that cannot be solved with adjustment through knots and line stretching. Stock Epic lines are very stretching-friendly... very-very!!!!
She's ready to go:
Points worth noting:
1)Apparently i've got a newer version of the Switch chickenloop and it comes with 2 simple nuts that you have to tighten against each other instead of a single nylon-lock-nut like it used to be. The catch is that these 2 nuts are very thin an require a metric 17mm key that isn't that easy to find to begin with, yet alone in thin version. I've managed with some unorthodox tooling that I don't really want to discuss in details, but I'd like to add that it's a good idea to apply some thread-locker in the process.
2)Yes I'm aware that I removed the Oh-shit handle from the steering line. It was rather useless to begin with, but I might install it later on one of the front leaders - a very easy mod.
3)I've re-installed the still rings on the rear leaders as stoppers for the foams - just made a figure-8 knot through the ring.
4)That's about it!
A personal message to Dimitri and his dogs:
Well, actually there isn't much to say after that rather self-explanatory picture...
Can't help wondering if all that crap is worth packing and shipping back to Epic:
I'll post some feedback when I'll get a chance to test the new bar. Can't be worse than it was from factory - that's for sure!!!
There's a fair bit of difference between modding something "to suit you better" and completely re-building the thing with other brand's parts because "something" is a piece of outdated and badly manufactured garbage to begin with.plummet wrote: Nice. It's always good to mod stuff so it suits you better.
Thanks for polluting the thread with your usual pimping. Great marketing strategy b.t.w. First you sell everybody a crappy product and then you start offering them an "upgrade" kit! Keep up the good work dude!
Dimitri,Dimitri M wrote: I am sorry but I don't pollute the EPIC thread at all. I am just responding to your post by giving people accurate information, photos and videos. In few words, I have to let people know what's really going on since I am the owner of the EPIC brand. I never sold any crappy product and if I did then why are you still flying and buying the EPIC kites!!!! I think that is the question most of the people are asking.
When I started the EPIC brand 4 years ago I did not have a Chicken Loop to go with our XTEND BAR. So I had to borrow a CL from another trusty brand in order to be able to work on our own EPIC Chicken Loop. Now that we finally finished our EPIC 4G Chicken Loop after many years of work, it is yours to do the upgrade if you want to.
And by the way, thank you for your advice about keeping up the good work. This is the reason why we are getting so many orders and so many dealers wanting to promote the Epic brand.
With all due respect Mr.alexeyga, but the "4G XTEND BAR" and the "4G CL RETROFIT ACCESSORY KIT" will have a metal buckle on the Depower Strap (see attach pictures). But will also be selling the Depower Strap with a plastic buckle for people that want the plastic instead of the metal because lots of people still want to keep the plastic one.Dimitri,
It might be a surprise for you, since you obviously seem to have reading and comprehension issues, but out of all the reasons why I first ditched your piece-of-sh#t bar and now re-built it with Switch parts, that chicken loop - that you're so hysterical about - is the least of my concerns. It was crappy, but it did the job in the contrary to the trimmer. B.t.w. from the photos that you've posted it seems that the teethed buckle is still plastic.
So not only you're trying to milk people by offering them an "upgrade kit", but it still comes with a defective trimmer? You're a piece of work - you know that? Like I've told you before - don't get too surprised to see people dumping your brand - it won't be because you make bad kites. But because of the way how you address issues and how you treat your clients.
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