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 Post subject: Re: Open source kite fatality and critical injury database.
PostPosted: Tue Nov 05, 2013 12:44 am 
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Man you opened up pandora's box LWC.

Jeeese some emotion going on in this thread.

I think a wed site needs to be hosted with several individuals responsible to collate and upload data.

One individual should not administer such a database. Though I also think that it should not be open slather for all to update. There needs to by some kind of verification that the data is as accurate as possible.

Lets face it. All of these events occured and people died. We cannot hide those facts. It is what it is.
Hosting a website that lists these fatalities can only be a good thing to help alert newbies to the potential danger of the sport.

Perhaps Toby can host a database and RickI and LWC administer it? Results available for all to see but not tamper with. Rickl and LWC will keep each other honest!


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 05, 2013 8:03 am 
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"There needs to by some kind of verification that the data is as accurate as possible. "
There will be tinyurl source links for all data - multiple ones with most direct/first hand witness links first. Many already added in.

Its designed to minimize opinion, so we don't ever get into situation like we have now again - where a single person - Rick I - with conflicts of interest (paid to use similar data - that will not release this personal data publicly) controls the release of statistics based solely on their own personal opinion/objectives/agenda of the day. None of this data can quickly and easily scrutinized, none verified - this can be- quickly and easily.

I have learnt a lot from the data so far . Now instead of saying - be very careful during launching and landing , I will say

" Kitesurfing is the only water based sport where over 50% of the most serious accidents occur on land, you are piloting a wing - not sailing - sailboats don't crash on land after flying through the air, we will gain the flying skills required before you go near land/shallow water or hard objects with a kite capable of flying you in the air" Not saying this is perfect by any means but it has got me learning more.

Cat - exactly the same experience - attentive mature student cant help themselves yanking the bar and then coming back and saying "i am going to listen to you much more carefully from now on, I see what you mean (while shaking)" - while teaching in water.


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 Post subject: Re: Open source kite fatality and critical injury database.
PostPosted: Tue Nov 05, 2013 10:18 pm 
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OK

The database has taken on a lot of very useful suggestions and data offered up now. >>>>>>

Judging from kitesurfing forums worldwide/info collected - the kitesurfing community very clearly see the value of helping their fellow kitesurfers with detailed accounts and opinion that may help other kiters - they clearly do not see value in keeping this information secret. The outcome of this attitude within kitesurfing is that the percentage of direct sources is growing very fast with more accurate data as it grows. Also opinions on potential mitigation measures (if any) will be by those most direct sources.

These measures reduce the risk of flawed/ inaccurate/opinonbased/ conflicts of interest based data. It won't be perfect but it is coming together pretty damn nicely, and the idea of this is constant improvement through suggestions of the kitesurfing community.

Use of google translate for tinyurl links to be in english

Summary details have been started to be increased. 6 words is too short.

The table contains a space added in for easier reading between each row as suggested.

The goal is to have the most direct source for the summary - multiple sources shown with most direct first

anyone wants to do even 1 wind strength /conditions cell woudl be awesome - important column! Have started with them myself...


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below can be copied into text file and then easily import as comma separated data into spreadsheet


Fatal/Critical,date,Country,Location,Experience (months),Experience source,Windspeed/conditions,Windspeed source,Final Contact,Kite,Summary,Most Direct Summary Source first,Potential mitigation measures if any,Source of Opinion

Fatal,23/9/13,Australia,"Perth, Cottesloe Beach",Hightly experienced 168 ,Kiter on Kiteforum,Moderate/light wind then gust hit.,http://tinyurl.com/pc68q5z,Land,,Hit by an invisible gust while running along the beach and knocked unconcious and was then lofted up onto a road . He was not landing at the time.,Kiter on Kiteforum,,

Fatal,12/5/2013,Canada,xxxxxxx,A few years ,http://tinyurl.com/ky85ja5,xx,,Water,FOne Bandit,Got stuck in deathloop. Witness said for 10 mins.,http://tinyurl.com/kcwcqeg,,

Fatal,11/8/2013,Canada,Lac Saint-Jean,xx,,xx,,Water,,No details yet,http://tinyurl.com/mma6vgp http://tinyurl.com/msueg8e http://tinyurl.com/oz8ml52,,

Fatal,28/04/09,France,Bidart,xx,,Strong winds,http://tinyurl.com/jwr8pz3,Land,,Thrown into Parking Lot,http://tinyurl.com/jwr8pz3,,

Fatal,8/9/2010,France,xxxxxxx,xx,,xx,,Land,,"Struck Building, dragging started in sea.",source another online- investigate if true - possible duplicate,,

Fatal,9/11/2010,France,Saint-Jean-de-Luz,xx,,High wind forecast,http://tinyurl.com/cnfazcv,Land,,Hit pier then building,http://tinyurl.com/cnfazcv,,

Fatal,5/9/2011,France,xxxxxxx,xx,,xx,,Water,,"Pupil got into deathloop bridle tangle. Rescue attempt with boat. Student stuck with lines under instructor boat, drowned.",Summarized account by the instructor ,,

Fatal,14/07/11,France,xxxxxxx,0,,xx,,Water,,Hit road then building@ launch,kiteforum.com member - needs verification,,a

Fatal,,Japan,xxxxxxx,xx,,xx,,Land,,Hit trees,Rick I on kiteforum,,

Fatal,12/12/2008,Mexico,Near LaVenta,24,,xx,,Land,,Broke Neck on beach,The Oregonian ,,

Fatal,1/1/2013,Netherlands,xxxxxxx,xx,,xx,,Land,,Hit wooden pole at launch,kiteforum.com member - needs verification,,

Fatal,1/1/2007,New Caledonia,xxxxxxx,xx,,xx,,Water,,Stuck in deathloop during lesson..,New Caledonian kitesurfer -needs verifying,,

Critical,23/10/2011,Portugal,Fonte da Telha,newbie (water start/first tacks phase,http://tinyurl.com/oly7y86,"No info, suitable kite size talked of in source",http://tinyurl.com/oly7y86,Water(shallow),,"During the water start the rider lost her balance due to the incoming waves and as a consequence the spacial awareness position against the kite. The kite was then flown to the wrong side (land side), the rider lift and projected against the sand, hit with the head in the ground and loose conscience. Accident Consequence - several months in coma, memory loss, speach and written ability loss, extensive recovery.",http://tinyurl.com/oly7y86,Water start in deeper waters,http://tinyurl.com/oly7y86

Fatal,25/01/2008,Puerto Rico,xxxxxxx,xx,,xx,,Water,,"Tangled with Equipment, drowned",SurferToday.com ,Helmet,

Fatal,28/08/2008,UK,Lancing,xx,,xx,,Land,,Struck Rocks,xxxxxx,,

Critical,3/9/2012,UK,Southend,,,,,details unknow,,"Hit seawall, severe injuries",http://tinyurl.com/kckzmnh,,

unsure,,UK,,,,,,,,"Plunged 50ft, after possible chickenloop failure. Extensive injuries.",http://tinyurl.com/lbplahr,Chicken Loop Fault,http://tinyurl.com/mr3geqo

Critical,31/8/2013,UK,Southend,Experienced,http://tinyurl.com/p8duoww,freak gust,http://tinyurl.com/p8duoww,Land,,Slammed into sea wall. broke both his legs and two ribs and needs his heart valve repaired,http://tinyurl.com/p8duoww http://tinyurl.com/cy8tnjt,,

Critical,6/7/2007,UK,Southend,Experienced,http://tinyurl.com/lnn9wl3,http://tinyurl.com/lnn9wl3,http://tinyurl.com/lnn9wl3,Land,,", Impacted with groin, kite had stopped steering properly. 22 staples in his head and broken ankle.",http://tinyurl.com/lnn9wl3,unsuitable launch area if things go wrong,http://tinyurl.com/nwvajzv

Critical,1/1/2012,UK,Bournmouth,xx,,xx,,Land,,Critical injuries,uk newspaper investigate,,

Critical,1/1/2012,UK,Bournmouth,xx,,xx,,Land,,Critical injuries,uk newspaper investigate,,

Critical,15/4/2013,UK,Poole,Experienced,,"not that windy, were squalls",,Land,,Dragged 30m into sign then into building. serious head injuries,http://tinyurl.com/n5qs369,,

Fatal,1/1/2010,USA,Maui,48,,xx,,Water,,"Unknown, found on water without kite",Kiteforum member,,

Fatal,5/2/2010,USA,Forida,xx,,xx,,Water,,Shark attack,News media,,

Fatal,24/11/2007,USA,LAKE KOSHKONONG,xx,,xx,,Water,,Found on water,http://tinyurl.com/m4rn5ns,,

Fatal,22/11/2011,USA,Cape Hatteras,xx,,,,Water,,"Couldnt relaunch at sea, last seen detached from kite. Found drowned.",http://tinyurl.com/m2kacnb,,

Critical,19/8/2008,USA,Florida,xx,,35,,Land,,Huricane incident,http://tinyurl.com/6c3djy,,

Critical,1/1/2011,USA,xxxxxxx,xx,,xx,,Land,,"Paralysed, HIt Rock",,,

Critical,1/12010,USA,xxxxxxx,xx,,xx,,Water,,Paralysed - Shallow,kiteforum.com,,

Fatal,23/5/2010,USA,San Francisco,xx,,xx,,,,,http://tinyurl.com/nzeaxhz,,

Fatal,7/10/2013,USA,NYC,xx,,xx,,Land,,Hit rock Seawall,,,

Fatal,23/5/11,New Caledonia,Koumac village,xx,,xx,,Water,,Shark attack,http://tinyurl.com/q6mtyxg,,

Fatal,6/12/2011,Vietnam,,xx,,xx,,Water,,,http://tinyurl.com/p9jyp7e,,

Fatal,25/7/2010,Italy,Lecco Lake,xx,,xx,,Water,,Violent impact with the hull of a sailboat,http://tinyurl.com/kwaxlwh,,

Fatal,2/11/2011,Israel,Eilat,,,,,Water,,Hit a buoy pole wearing helmet and life vest,http://tinyurl.com/k9eqmjm,,

Fatal,2/10/2008,Israel,Sdot Yam,beginner,,xx,,Land,,"gust of wind swept him from shore to the roof of a home on the kibbutz, 200 meters away",http://tinyurl.com/ldj9ksm,,


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 Post subject: Re: Open source kite fatality and critical injury database.
PostPosted: Wed Nov 06, 2013 4:54 am 
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The database has taken on many more suggestions and concern resolution attempts and come up with some positive changes.

1. Title of open source initiative/database is " Open source database encouraging proactive solutions and education in kiteboarding."

2. Also Includes list of kiteboarders that have saved many non kiting public from drowning at beaches while enjoying their sports - to help increase public respect/ good public perception of the sport.

3. MOST importantly "Potential mitigation measures " have been filled in for most data now. They can be discussed openly and incidents much more easily checked out out than starting from scratch each time with google.

4. Dont want this thread here at top each time there is an edit. Can you move it into the safety forum Toby? I appreciate it was very low quality when started - that is it's nature - still has some way to go..., but it seems to have got a lot better very quickly with the help of others input.



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Fatal/Critical,date,Country,Location,Experience (months),Experience source,Windspeed/conditions,Windspeed source,Final Contact,Kite,Summary,Most Direct Summary Source first,Potential mitigation measures if any,Source of Opinion
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Fatal,23/9/13,Australia,"Perth, Cottesloe Beach",Hightly experienced 168 ,Kiter on Kiteforum,Moderate/light wind then gust hit.,http://tinyurl.com/pc68q5z,Land,,Hit by an invisible gust while running along the beach and knocked unconcious and was then lofted up onto a road . He was not landing at the time.,http://tinyurl.com/l5ntyz3,Very unfortunate - well respected kiter of 12 years+ . Be aware that a gust can occur at any time. Be very cautious of changable variable conditions.,longwhite cloud
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Fatal,12/5/2013,Canada,xxxxxxx,A few years ,http://tinyurl.com/ky85ja5,xx,,Water,FOne Bandit,Got stuck in deathloop. Witness said for 10 mins.,http://tinyurl.com/kcwcqeg,"Manfacturer look at kite design regarding minimizing death loop risk. Keep kite pumped up hard so bridles cannot wrap so easily around tips. Ensure leader lines are stiff so they cannot half hitch on bar so easily. Leash at front side of harness has been suggested ,not at back. Fone Quick release is not easy to release in many riders opinion - recently redsigned as more modern pushaway QR.",longwhite cloud
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Fatal,11/8/2013,Canada,Lac Saint-Jean,xx,,"Really windy at time, had been storm at night",http://tinyurl.com/l3pscya comments in french at end of article,Water,,No details yet,http://tinyurl.com/mma6vgp http://tinyurl.com/msueg8e http://tinyurl.com/oz8ml52,Take care with weather conditions. Consider heading out another day sometimes.,http://tinyurl.com/l3pscya comments in french at end of article
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Fatal,28/04/09,France,Bidart,xx,,Strong winds,http://tinyurl.com/jwr8pz3,Land,,Thrown into Parking Lot,http://tinyurl.com/jwr8pz3,Take care with weather conditions,longwhite cloud
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Fatal,8/9/2010,France,xxxxxxx,xx,,xx,,Land,,"Struck Building, dragging started in sea.",source another online- investigate if true - possible duplicate,,
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Fatal,9/11/2010,France,Saint-Jean-de-Luz,xx,,High wind forecast,http://tinyurl.com/cnfazcv,Land,,Hit pier then building,http://tinyurl.com/cnfazcv,"Launch, land and ride with buffer zones that also merit the wind strength/conditions. Extra caution required with high wind forecasts.",longwhite cloud
,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Fatal,5/9/2011,France,xxxxxxx,xx,,xx,,Water,,"Pupil got into deathloop bridle tangle. Rescue attempt with boat. Student stuck with lines under instructor boat, drowned.",Summarized account by the instructor ,Take a look at kite design. Keep bridle kites inflated hard. Always carry a capable hook knife on a kite safety boat.,longwhite cloud
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Fatal,14/07/11,France,xxxxxxx,0,,xx,,Water,,Hit road then building@ launch,kiteforum.com member - needs verification,not enough information for best effort possible mitgation measures ,longwhite cloud
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Fatal,,Japan,xxxxxxx,xx,,xx,,Land,,Hit trees,Rick I on kiteforum,,
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Fatal,12/12/2008,Mexico,Near LaVenta,Experienced,http://tinyurl.com/ld2rlrl,xx,,Land,,Broke Neck on beach,The Oregonian ,Newspaper describes as freak accident as they ususally do. Needs investigation.,http://tinyurl.com/ld2rlrl
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Fatal,1/1/2013,Netherlands,xxxxxxx,xx,,xx,,Land,,Hit wooden pole at launch,kiteforum.com member - needs verification,,
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Fatal,1/1/2007,New Caledonia,xxxxxxx,xx,,xx,,Water,,Stuck in deathloop during lesson..,New Caledonian kitesurfer -unverified - chasing,,
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Critical,23/10/2011,Portugal,Fonte da Telha,newbie (water start/first tacks phase,http://tinyurl.com/oly7y86,"No info, suitable kite size talked of in source",http://tinyurl.com/oly7y86,Water(shallow),,"During the water start the rider lost her balance due to the incoming waves and as a consequence the spacial awareness position against the kite. The kite was then flown to the wrong side (land side), the rider lift and projected against the sand, hit with the head in the ground and loose conscience. Accident Consequence - several months in coma, memory loss, speach and written ability loss, extensive recovery.",http://tinyurl.com/oly7y86,"Ensure buffer zone of water is deep enough for an accidental kiteloop for beginners. Teach beginners kiteboarding on the water, not on land, not near the land. Train beginers on trainer kites so they are fully competent and can flt walking around, looping kite, spinning around, fly one handed - more skill experience better. Consider sea state when teaching a beginer. ",longwhite cloud
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Fatal,25/01/2008,Puerto Rico,xxxxxxx,xx,,xx,,Water,,"Tangled with Equipment, drowned",SurferToday.com ,"Helmet, possibly hook knife",
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Fatal,28/08/2008,UK,Lancing,xx,,xx,,Land,,Struck Rocks,xxxxxx,,
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Critical,3/9/2012,UK,Southend,,,,,details unknow,,"Hit seawall, severe injuries",http://tinyurl.com/kckzmnh,"Launch, land and ride with buffer zones that also merit the wind strength/conditions.",
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unsure,,UK,,,,,,,,"Plunged 50ft, after possible chickenloop failure. Extensive injuries.",http://tinyurl.com/lbplahr,Maufacturer check design. Flight Check your gear before session,http://tinyurl.com/mr3geqo
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Critical,31/8/2013,UK,Southend,Experienced,http://tinyurl.com/p8duoww,freak gust,http://tinyurl.com/p8duoww,Land,,Slammed into sea wall. broke both his legs and two ribs and needs his heart valve repaired,http://tinyurl.com/p8duoww http://tinyurl.com/cy8tnjt, land and ride with buffer zones that also merit the wind strength/conditions.",
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Critical,6/7/2007,UK,Southend,Experienced,http://tinyurl.com/lnn9wl3,http://tinyurl.com/lnn9wl3,http://tinyurl.com/lnn9wl3,Land,,", Impacted with groin, kite had stopped steering properly. 22 staples in his head and broken ankle.",http://tinyurl.com/lnn9wl3,unsuitable launch area if things go wrong,http://tinyurl.com/nwvajzv
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Critical,1/1/2012,UK,Bournmouth,xx,,xx,,Land,,Critical injuries,uk newspaper investigate,,
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Critical,1/1/2012,UK,Bournmouth,xx,,xx,,Land,,Critical injuries,uk newspaper investigate,,
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Critical,15/4/2013,UK,Poole,Experienced,,"not that windy, were squalls",,Land,,Dragged 30m into sign then into building. serious head injuries,http://tinyurl.com/n5qs369,"Launch, land and ride with buffer zones that also merit the wind strength/conditions.",longwhite cloud
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Fatal,1/1/2010,USA,Maui,48,,xx,,Water,,"Unknown, found on water without kite",Kiteforum member,,
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Fatal,5/2/2010,USA,Forida,xx,,xx,,Water,,Shark attack,News media,,
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Fatal,24/11/2007,USA,LAKE KOSHKONONG,xx,,xx,,Water,,Found on water,http://tinyurl.com/m4rn5ns,,
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Fatal,22/11/2011,USA,Cape Hatteras,xx,,,,Water,,"Couldnt relaunch at sea, last seen detached from kite. Found drowned.",http://tinyurl.com/m2kacnb,Give consideration to fact that your kite can be used as a very effective float and item to help locate to you.,longwhite cloud
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Critical,19/8/2008,USA,Florida,xx,,35,,Land,,Huricane incident,http://tinyurl.com/6c3djy,"Rig a kite size suitable for the conditions and your ability, don't rely on modern kite depower. Consider kiting another day in highly changable high wind conditions. Check the forecast before you ride. .",longwhite cloud
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Critical,1/1/2011,USA,xxxxxxx,xx,,xx,,Land,,"Paralysed, HIt Rock",,"Launch, land and ride with buffer zones that also merit the wind strength/conditions.",longwhite cloud
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Critical,1/12010,USA,xxxxxxx,xx,,xx,,Water,,Paralysed - Shallow,kiteforum.com,Be cautious jumping in shallow water. ,longwhite cloud
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Fatal,23/5/2010,USA,San Francisco,xx,,xx,,,,,http://tinyurl.com/nzeaxhz,,
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Fatal,7/10/2013,USA,NYC,xx,,xx,,Land,,Hit rock Seawall,,,
Fatal,23/5/11,New Caledonia,Koumac village,xx,,xx,,Water,,Shark attack,http://tinyurl.com/q6mtyxg,--------,
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Fatal,6/12/2011,Vietnam,,xx,,xx,,Water,,,http://tinyurl.com/p9jyp7e,,
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Fatal,25/7/2010,Italy,Lecco Lake,xx,,xx,,Water,,Violent impact with the hull of a sailboat,http://tinyurl.com/kwaxlwh,"Consider maintain buffer zones downwind that also merit the wind strength/conditions from boats, yacht buoys.",longwhite cloud
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Fatal,2/11/2011,Israel,Eilat,,,,,Water,,Hit a buoy pole wearing helmet and life vest,http://tinyurl.com/k9eqmjm,"Consider maintain buffer zones downwind that also merit the wind strength/conditions from boats, yacht buoys.",longwhite cloud
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Fatal,2/10/2008,Israel,Sdot Yam,beginner,,xx,,Land,,"gust of wind swept him from shore to the roof of a home on the kibbutz, 200 meters away",http://tinyurl.com/ldj9ksm,,
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Kiteboarder saves life/lives,,,,,,,,,,Kitesurfer saves life in boating drama,https://www.facebook.com/baskoolecom/posts/10151437454558751,,
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Kiteboarder saves life/lives,,,,,,,,,,Kitesurf saves 3 drowning men off byron,http://www.seabreeze.com.au/News/Kitesurfing/Kiteboarder-saves-three-drowning-men-off-Byron-Bay_6393844.aspx,,
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Kiteboarder saves life/lives,,,,,,,,,,Charleston Kiteboarder Saves 4 Lives from Capsized Sailboat,http://new.ikitesurf.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=26378,,
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Kiteboarder saves life/lives,,,,,,,,,,Kiteboarder saves kayaker,http://masskiting.com/forum/kiteboarder-saves-day-pine-point,,
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Kiteboarder saves life/lives,,,,,,,,,,Kitesurfer saves drowning family,http://www.seabreeze.com.au/News/Kitesurfing/Kitesurfer-saves-drowning-family_1443084.aspx,,
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Kiteboarder saves life/lives,,,,,,,,,,Kitesurfer save 3 men from drowning,http://www.geertjantelkamp.com/kitesurfer-saves-man-life/,,
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Kiteboarder saves life/lives,,,,,,,,,,Kitesurfer saves boat people,http://www.kiteforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=160&t=2355884,,


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 06, 2013 7:29 pm 
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I don't know man...

Just scanning through the horror, looks like, watch out for the wind, stay way the fuck away from everything; carry a machete, wear body armor and have a life vest about covers it...

Now the Bad news, It's a show boat kind of thing you do with and for your friends on the beach usually in a shorty or just board shorts...

that's just how it is...

Maybe just come to grips with the idea that nothing is likely to change no matter how much you add to the list...

but ok, your hearts in the right place...kudos


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 06, 2013 8:12 pm 
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longwhitecloud wrote:
The database has taken on many more suggestions and concern resolution attempts and come up with some positive changes.

1. Title of open source initiative/database is " Open source database encouraging proactive solutions and education in kiteboarding."

2. Also Includes list of kiteboarders that have saved many non kiting public from drowning at beaches while enjoying their sports - to help increase public respect/ good public perception of the sport.

3. MOST importantly "Potential mitigation measures " have been filled in for most data now. They can be discussed openly and incidents much more easily checked out out than starting from scratch each time with google.

4. Dont want this thread here at top each time there is an edit. Can you move it into the safety forum Toby? I appreciate it was very low quality when started - that is it's nature - still has some way to go..., but it seems to have got a lot better very quickly with the help of others input.



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Fatal/Critical,date,Country,Location,Experience (months),Experience source,Windspeed/conditions,Windspeed source,Final Contact,Kite,Summary,Most Direct Summary Source first,Potential mitigation measures if any,Source of Opinion
,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Fatal,23/9/13,Australia,"Perth, Cottesloe Beach",Hightly experienced 168 ,Kiter on Kiteforum,Moderate/light wind then gust hit.,http://tinyurl.com/pc68q5z,Land,,Hit by an invisible gust while running along the beach and knocked unconcious and was then lofted up onto a road . He was not landing at the time.,http://tinyurl.com/l5ntyz3,Very unfortunate - well respected kiter of 12 years+ . Be aware that a gust can occur at any time. Be very cautious of changable variable conditions.,longwhite cloud
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Fatal,12/5/2013,Canada,xxxxxxx,A few years ,http://tinyurl.com/ky85ja5,xx,,Water,FOne Bandit,Got stuck in deathloop. Witness said for 10 mins.,http://tinyurl.com/kcwcqeg,"Manfacturer look at kite design regarding minimizing death loop risk. Keep kite pumped up hard so bridles cannot wrap so easily around tips. Ensure leader lines are stiff so they cannot half hitch on bar so easily. Leash at front side of harness has been suggested ,not at back. Fone Quick release is not easy to release in many riders opinion - recently redsigned as more modern pushaway QR.",longwhite cloud
,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Fatal,11/8/2013,Canada,Lac Saint-Jean,xx,,"Really windy at time, had been storm at night",http://tinyurl.com/l3pscya comments in french at end of article,Water,,No details yet,http://tinyurl.com/mma6vgp http://tinyurl.com/msueg8e http://tinyurl.com/oz8ml52,Take care with weather conditions. Consider heading out another day sometimes.,http://tinyurl.com/l3pscya comments in french at end of article
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Fatal,28/04/09,France,Bidart,xx,,Strong winds,http://tinyurl.com/jwr8pz3,Land,,Thrown into Parking Lot,http://tinyurl.com/jwr8pz3,Take care with weather conditions,longwhite cloud
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Fatal,8/9/2010,France,xxxxxxx,xx,,xx,,Land,,"Struck Building, dragging started in sea.",source another online- investigate if true - possible duplicate,,
,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Fatal,9/11/2010,France,Saint-Jean-de-Luz,xx,,High wind forecast,http://tinyurl.com/cnfazcv,Land,,Hit pier then building,http://tinyurl.com/cnfazcv,"Launch, land and ride with buffer zones that also merit the wind strength/conditions. Extra caution required with high wind forecasts.",longwhite cloud
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Fatal,5/9/2011,France,xxxxxxx,xx,,xx,,Water,,"Pupil got into deathloop bridle tangle. Rescue attempt with boat. Student stuck with lines under instructor boat, drowned.",Summarized account by the instructor ,Take a look at kite design. Keep bridle kites inflated hard. Always carry a capable hook knife on a kite safety boat.,longwhite cloud
,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Fatal,14/07/11,France,xxxxxxx,0,,xx,,Water,,Hit road then building@ launch,kiteforum.com member - needs verification,not enough information for best effort possible mitgation measures ,longwhite cloud
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Fatal,,Japan,xxxxxxx,xx,,xx,,Land,,Hit trees,Rick I on kiteforum,,
,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Fatal,12/12/2008,Mexico,Near LaVenta,Experienced,http://tinyurl.com/ld2rlrl,xx,,Land,,Broke Neck on beach,The Oregonian ,Newspaper describes as freak accident as they ususally do. Needs investigation.,http://tinyurl.com/ld2rlrl
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Fatal,1/1/2013,Netherlands,xxxxxxx,xx,,xx,,Land,,Hit wooden pole at launch,kiteforum.com member - needs verification,,
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Fatal,1/1/2007,New Caledonia,xxxxxxx,xx,,xx,,Water,,Stuck in deathloop during lesson..,New Caledonian kitesurfer -unverified - chasing,,
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Critical,23/10/2011,Portugal,Fonte da Telha,newbie (water start/first tacks phase,http://tinyurl.com/oly7y86,"No info, suitable kite size talked of in source",http://tinyurl.com/oly7y86,Water(shallow),,"During the water start the rider lost her balance due to the incoming waves and as a consequence the spacial awareness position against the kite. The kite was then flown to the wrong side (land side), the rider lift and projected against the sand, hit with the head in the ground and loose conscience. Accident Consequence - several months in coma, memory loss, speach and written ability loss, extensive recovery.",http://tinyurl.com/oly7y86,"Ensure buffer zone of water is deep enough for an accidental kiteloop for beginners. Teach beginners kiteboarding on the water, not on land, not near the land. Train beginers on trainer kites so they are fully competent and can flt walking around, looping kite, spinning around, fly one handed - more skill experience better. Consider sea state when teaching a beginer. ",longwhite cloud
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Fatal,25/01/2008,Puerto Rico,xxxxxxx,xx,,xx,,Water,,"Tangled with Equipment, drowned",SurferToday.com ,"Helmet, possibly hook knife",
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Fatal,28/08/2008,UK,Lancing,xx,,xx,,Land,,Struck Rocks,xxxxxx,,
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Critical,3/9/2012,UK,Southend,,,,,details unknow,,"Hit seawall, severe injuries",http://tinyurl.com/kckzmnh,"Launch, land and ride with buffer zones that also merit the wind strength/conditions.",
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unsure,,UK,,,,,,,,"Plunged 50ft, after possible chickenloop failure. Extensive injuries.",http://tinyurl.com/lbplahr,Maufacturer check design. Flight Check your gear before session,http://tinyurl.com/mr3geqo
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Critical,31/8/2013,UK,Southend,Experienced,http://tinyurl.com/p8duoww,freak gust,http://tinyurl.com/p8duoww,Land,,Slammed into sea wall. broke both his legs and two ribs and needs his heart valve repaired,http://tinyurl.com/p8duoww http://tinyurl.com/cy8tnjt, land and ride with buffer zones that also merit the wind strength/conditions.",
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Critical,6/7/2007,UK,Southend,Experienced,http://tinyurl.com/lnn9wl3,http://tinyurl.com/lnn9wl3,http://tinyurl.com/lnn9wl3,Land,,", Impacted with groin, kite had stopped steering properly. 22 staples in his head and broken ankle.",http://tinyurl.com/lnn9wl3,unsuitable launch area if things go wrong,http://tinyurl.com/nwvajzv
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Critical,1/1/2012,UK,Bournmouth,xx,,xx,,Land,,Critical injuries,uk newspaper investigate,,
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Critical,1/1/2012,UK,Bournmouth,xx,,xx,,Land,,Critical injuries,uk newspaper investigate,,
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Critical,15/4/2013,UK,Poole,Experienced,,"not that windy, were squalls",,Land,,Dragged 30m into sign then into building. serious head injuries,http://tinyurl.com/n5qs369,"Launch, land and ride with buffer zones that also merit the wind strength/conditions.",longwhite cloud
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Fatal,1/1/2010,USA,Maui,48,,xx,,Water,,"Unknown, found on water without kite",Kiteforum member,,
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Fatal,5/2/2010,USA,Forida,xx,,xx,,Water,,Shark attack,News media,,
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Fatal,24/11/2007,USA,LAKE KOSHKONONG,xx,,xx,,Water,,Found on water,http://tinyurl.com/m4rn5ns,,
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Fatal,22/11/2011,USA,Cape Hatteras,xx,,,,Water,,"Couldnt relaunch at sea, last seen detached from kite. Found drowned.",http://tinyurl.com/m2kacnb,Give consideration to fact that your kite can be used as a very effective float and item to help locate to you.,longwhite cloud
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Critical,19/8/2008,USA,Florida,xx,,35,,Land,,Huricane incident,http://tinyurl.com/6c3djy,"Rig a kite size suitable for the conditions and your ability, don't rely on modern kite depower. Consider kiting another day in highly changable high wind conditions. Check the forecast before you ride. .",longwhite cloud
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Critical,1/1/2011,USA,xxxxxxx,xx,,xx,,Land,,"Paralysed, HIt Rock",,"Launch, land and ride with buffer zones that also merit the wind strength/conditions.",longwhite cloud
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Critical,1/12010,USA,xxxxxxx,xx,,xx,,Water,,Paralysed - Shallow,kiteforum.com,Be cautious jumping in shallow water. ,longwhite cloud
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Fatal,23/5/2010,USA,San Francisco,xx,,xx,,,,,http://tinyurl.com/nzeaxhz,,
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Fatal,7/10/2013,USA,NYC,xx,,xx,,Land,,Hit rock Seawall,,,
Fatal,23/5/11,New Caledonia,Koumac village,xx,,xx,,Water,,Shark attack,http://tinyurl.com/q6mtyxg,--------,
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Fatal,6/12/2011,Vietnam,,xx,,xx,,Water,,,http://tinyurl.com/p9jyp7e,,
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Fatal,25/7/2010,Italy,Lecco Lake,xx,,xx,,Water,,Violent impact with the hull of a sailboat,http://tinyurl.com/kwaxlwh,"Consider maintain buffer zones downwind that also merit the wind strength/conditions from boats, yacht buoys.",longwhite cloud
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Fatal,2/11/2011,Israel,Eilat,,,,,Water,,Hit a buoy pole wearing helmet and life vest,http://tinyurl.com/k9eqmjm,"Consider maintain buffer zones downwind that also merit the wind strength/conditions from boats, yacht buoys.",longwhite cloud
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Fatal,2/10/2008,Israel,Sdot Yam,beginner,,xx,,Land,,"gust of wind swept him from shore to the roof of a home on the kibbutz, 200 meters away",http://tinyurl.com/ldj9ksm,,
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Kiteboarder saves life/lives,,,,,,,,,,Kitesurfer saves life in boating drama,https://www.facebook.com/baskoolecom/posts/10151437454558751,,
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Kiteboarder saves life/lives,,,,,,,,,,Kitesurf saves 3 drowning men off byron,http://www.seabreeze.com.au/News/Kitesurfing/Kiteboarder-saves-three-drowning-men-off-Byron-Bay_6393844.aspx,,
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Kiteboarder saves life/lives,,,,,,,,,,Charleston Kiteboarder Saves 4 Lives from Capsized Sailboat,http://new.ikitesurf.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=26378,,
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Kiteboarder saves life/lives,,,,,,,,,,Kiteboarder saves kayaker,http://masskiting.com/forum/kiteboarder-saves-day-pine-point,,
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Kiteboarder saves life/lives,,,,,,,,,,Kitesurfer saves drowning family,http://www.seabreeze.com.au/News/Kitesurfing/Kitesurfer-saves-drowning-family_1443084.aspx,,
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Kiteboarder saves life/lives,,,,,,,,,,Kitesurfer save 3 men from drowning,http://www.geertjantelkamp.com/kitesurfer-saves-man-life/,,
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Kiteboarder saves life/lives,,,,,,,,,,Kitesurfer saves boat people,http://www.kiteforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=160&t=2355884,,


There's nothing wrong with it being at the top of the list. If it gets moved, it will lose effect.

Adding the items where kiters SAVED others is a GREAT touch.

Richard M.
Malibu Kitesurfing - since 2002
(310) - 430 - KITE (5483)
http://www.MalibuKitesurfing.NET
kfRichard@MalibuKitesurfing.NET


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 Post subject: Re: Open source kite fatality and critical injury database.
PostPosted: Wed Nov 06, 2013 9:13 pm 
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thx

It is down to self responsibility and self education I reckon. I got no place to tell others what to do. Same goes for conditions, I have no right to tell someone not to go out maybe due to the conditions, race whatever boards in whatever conditions, or jump over a pier.

Riding around flying through the air/ learning whatever is awesome fun its the risk part for the fun , but so many of these incidents had nothing to do with that - the riding on or above water part - maybe not but hopefully this fires up a few brain cells of at least someone that bothers to read through it.

That while your kite brand marketing and manual talks about modern safety and depower, and while every bit of hype and lies surrounding kiteboarding safety today as it becomes more commercial carries on (eg Olympics ika iko ioc) - the grassroots concepts have not in fact changed despite for example IKAs best efforts to marginalize kiteboarding as sailing in order to fast track kiteboarding into the olympics with ISAFs help - with statements in their reports such as -

"it is similar to sailing"
" No additional facilities are required. (when compared to sailing)"
"It is as safe as any other sport (with considerations for lessons etc)"


To me it shows great disrespect to my sport, that is my opinion, and in particular puts clueless newcomers at risk. Toby won't comment on this - he is friend with Markus that wrote this and really wants olympic kiteboarding, Rick I will not comment on this - he was asked not to make comment during the campaign...

Fact is u are a pilot flying a kite that is a very capable flying wing.

I think kiteboarding has really copped out on this one and I find it quite embarrassing that a sport I have been involved with for so many years has got to a stage where people are prepared to sell out and not even discuss this.

Yeah maybe this all won't make a difference, all my effort has been a waste of time. I got no problem with that.


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sad news
http://www.lecceprima.it/cronaca/porto- ... -2013.html

tomorrow will post a happy story and then i´m done with this topic


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thx , cool, me too making a vid with some friends of some strapless riding. This debate bummed me out for a few days...


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 Post subject: Re: Open source kite fatality and critical injury database.
PostPosted: Tue Jul 22, 2014 2:56 pm 
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is this thread still used to report kite accidents?

there was a fatal kiteboarding accident at nappeague in NY (near the hamptons) this weekend. 39 year old man, a novice was kiting alone in (it seems) light wind conditions - not many kiters out, i heard 3 were out on big kites but weren't out long. he was later found dead attached to his kite in the water by his family who went looking for him after he didn't return. kiters here in NY generally encourage e/o to watch out for each other and we do especially for newbies. i'm thinking he didn't approach anyone before heading out.

he worked for goldman sachs as a managing director, leaves behind a family.

there have been a couple of minor accidents at plumb beach in brooklyn this year involving new kiters. my understanding is they're not aware of the risks or don't care and disregard/make poor choices.

and there was this death last year at plumb beach: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=2382302&start=30

there seems to be a general consensus on how irresponsible IKO/IKA has been in talking to newbies about safety with regards to kiteboarding. how many deaths have to happen before this is addressed? kiteboarding is far more risky than windsurfing - and it's imperative to educate beginners on the safety aspect. it's appalling if they called it safer than windsurfing. only people who don't know anything about wind sports would believe that.


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