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 Post subject: 6m Wave/Stormkite: RPM '13 / Park '14 / Bandit 7 ?
PostPosted: Sat Nov 02, 2013 12:01 am 
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I am looking to expand my quiver on the high-end side with a 6m kite. I recently bought a wave board and am spending quite a bit of time on that, plus I want a kite to use when it's really blowing. I was out on my Park '12 8m in 35 knots gusting to 45 and that was, while manageable, not comfortable anymore, therefore a smaller one needs to be added.

My 'wish-list':
    1. Behaviour in gusts -> needs to be able to absorb gusts well, we never get high steady winds, always with big 10+ knots gusts
    2. Wavesurfing: I fly the kite actively, so it needs to be
      * quick (yet not too),
      * dump power quickly or put the power on easily, and
      * easily steered while depowered
    3. Jumping: also want to be able to jump in high winds obviously 8) ; compared to my current kites, the Park 2012, I'd like it to float more when returning to earth

As it is, I would prefer to choose between one of the 3 above. I've flown the Bandit in a previous incarnation and thought it a nice kite; I really like my Parks except for the lack of float; and I am curious about the RPM.

What should I look out for and what to choose?


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 Post subject: Re: 6m Wave/Stormkite: RPM '13 / Park '14 / Bandit 7 ?
PostPosted: Sat Nov 02, 2013 7:58 am 
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Small kite, less canopy, less float, no matter what it is.

Your description of what you want sounds like it is modelled on a park, which is no surprise.

Get another park and learn to loop properly on a smaller kite.

Oh and add the north dice to your list. :D


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 Post subject: Re: 6m Wave/Stormkite: RPM '13 / Park '14 / Bandit 7 ?
PostPosted: Sat Nov 02, 2013 10:23 am 
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BudhaNl wrote:
snip....

My 'wish-list':
    1. Behaviour in gusts -> needs to be able to absorb gusts well, we never get high steady winds, always with big 10+ knots gusts
    2. Wavesurfing: I fly the kite actively, so it needs to be
      * quick (yet not too),
      * dump power quickly or put the power on easily, and
      * easily steered while depowered
    3. Jumping: also want to be able to jump in high winds obviously 8) ; compared to my current kites, the Park 2012, I'd like it to float more when returning to earth

Snip...


Unfortunately your wish can not be granted :(

The "wishes" are very common, yes, but impossible and no kite can even come close :roll:

Above list is very very opposite "desires" that require two almost completely opposite kites.


Gust absorbing, dump power, steered while depowered, quick:

Most wavekites are like this, small - low camber - not too low AR but not high either - tight rearlines when depowered.


Jumping, and with more float:

The absolutely opposite, namely bigger kite - high camber - and not possible to steer when fully slack rearlines, as you have with such a kite in waves most of the time.
But awesome hangtime and float.



So I would choose one or another instead - as you can not get both.
You WILL drop like a rock when jumping, if you are using a good wavekite that suits in size.
And a kite that lets you float in jumps, will be useless for waveriding.

The best you could do IMO, would be to get a 6m wavekite for waves, and use your 8m2 for jumping :thumb:

8) Peter


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 Post subject: Re: 6m Wave/Stormkite: RPM '13 / Park '14 / Bandit 7 ?
PostPosted: Sat Nov 02, 2013 12:24 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: 6m Wave/Stormkite: RPM '13 / Park '14 / Bandit 7 ?
PostPosted: Sat Nov 02, 2013 1:04 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: 6m Wave/Stormkite: RPM '13 / Park '14 / Bandit 7 ?
PostPosted: Sat Nov 02, 2013 7:25 pm 
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No doubt :thumb:
http://switchkites.com/warehouse_euro/p ... ucts_id=40

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 Post subject: Re: 6m Wave/Stormkite: RPM '13 / Park '14 / Bandit 7 ?
PostPosted: Sat Nov 02, 2013 10:52 pm 
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Zeesus naishdude, is there any thread where you don't come up and suggest a switch kite? I remember switch teamriders need to write/market their equipment in forums etc. but seriously man, the thread is about three kites. No more...


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 Post subject: Re: 6m Wave/Stormkite: RPM '13 / Park '14 / Bandit 7 ?
PostPosted: Sat Nov 02, 2013 11:35 pm 
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Peter before this year I would agree entirely with you. But reports are kites like the park, dice and even the new REO are providing much better float than previous years and are still sick in the surf. I can vouch for the dice, but haven't been on the park or REO just yet, but I'm trying my hardest to.

Its mainly a function of canopy size in my mind. The smaller is it, the more you need to actively fly it, including looping. My 11m dice gives great height and float (albeit not in the same realm as my old edges, which supports your comments above), so does the 8m but I need to loop it from large heights or I can drop quickly.


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 Post subject: Re: 6m Wave/Stormkite: RPM '13 / Park '14 / Bandit 7 ?
PostPosted: Sun Nov 03, 2013 12:37 am 
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What is your quiver? If 8m is your smallest kite and you want a storm kite I would consider a 5m and lose the 8m with 7m and then up.... You really don't want more then 2m increments on the small side as the force of the wind increases exponentially when you are talkin about plus 25knots.


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 Post subject: Re: 6m Wave/Stormkite: RPM '13 / Park '14 / Bandit 7 ?
PostPosted: Sun Nov 03, 2013 1:46 am 
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omg wrote:
Zeesus naishdude, is there any thread where you don't come up and suggest a switch kite? I remember switch teamriders need to write/market their equipment in forums etc. but seriously man, the thread is about three kites. No more...


Geeee, wait till Dimitri pops up... Switch hippies are nothing in comparison to that pimpa!

As far as the main topic goes, I'd have to agree with Peter - you really can't have everything - albeit at 6m-conditions pretty much everything drifts well and jumps to the moon...


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