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Re: Kaa Point shark bite - link

Postby L0KI » Tue Dec 03, 2013 6:10 pm

Hawaiis wrote:After the politicians ban the shark fins for food, this is bound to happen.
Humans kill 100 million sharks a year (possibly closer to 273 million).
At 100 million a year, that's 11,000 per hour of every day.
How good can shark fin soup be?

http://animal.discovery.com/fish/shark-fishing.htm

http://newswatch.nationalgeographic.com ... rotection/

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Re: Kaa Point shark bite - link

Postby Hawaiis » Tue Dec 03, 2013 6:21 pm

Oldnbroken wrote:
Hawaiis wrote:After the politicians ban the shark fins for food, this is bound to happen.
Humans kill 100 million sharks a year (possibly closer to 273 million).
At 100 million a year, that's 11,000 per hour of every day.
How good can shark fin soup be?

http://animal.discovery.com/fish/shark-fishing.htm

http://newswatch.nationalgeographic.com ... rotection/

If you want to move back to the bottom of the food chain, it is your choice. Disrupting nature by saving 100 million predators with no other natural enemy is the dumbest idea. If those 100 million(I really doubt it)sharks are allowed to live, how many monk seals and kiters will need to be killed to feed them? Monk seals are endangered, sharks are not.

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Re: Kaa Point shark bite - link

Postby L0KI » Tue Dec 03, 2013 7:11 pm

Disrupting nature?...you must be joking.
We are not at the top of the food chain when we choose to play in the ocean...obviously.
If we fish the oceans empty of what sharks prefer to eat, the chances of human attack go up.
There are fifty species of shark that are endangered.
Threats to Hawaiian monk seals include human encroachment, shark predation, entanglement in fishing nets / longlines, marine debris, disease and poaching for their pelts.
The massive amount of trash in our oceans is a large threat to all marine life.
I don't want to hijack this thread any further, but at this point, it wouldn't be a bad idea for a lot more people to stop eating so much contaminated animal protein, and explore nutritional alternatives.

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Re: Kaa Point shark bite - link

Postby Hawaiis » Tue Dec 03, 2013 8:29 pm

Tiger Sharks certainly doesn't deserve to be protected.
There is a very obvious and direct link between banning shark fin for food and increase of shark attacks in Hawaii. The short sighted politicians will ruin Hawaii's attractions to tourists by changing Hawaii into Amity Island.

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Re: Kaa Point shark bite - link

Postby tautologies » Tue Dec 03, 2013 8:35 pm

Hawaiis wrote:If you want to move back to the bottom of the food chain, it is your choice. Disrupting nature by saving 100 million predators with no other natural enemy is the dumbest idea. If those 100 million(I really doubt it)sharks are allowed to live, how many monk seals and kiters will need to be killed to feed them? Monk seals are endangered, sharks are not.


This makes no sense. Someone shows you a source and you choose to not believe...without providing any source that claims otherwise....

In addition killing sharks really messes up the overall development of small fish and reef.

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Re: Kaa Point shark bite - link

Postby tautologies » Tue Dec 03, 2013 8:36 pm

Hawaiis wrote:Tiger Sharks certainly doesn't deserve to be protected.
There is a very obvious and direct link between banning shark fin for food and increase of shark attacks in Hawaii. The short sighted politicians will ruin Hawaii's attractions to tourists by changing Hawaii into Amity Island.


You are making shit up. You have to cite claims like that.

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Re: Kaa Point shark bite - link

Postby rightguard » Tue Dec 03, 2013 8:57 pm

You can't really make any clams like that without real proof but it is interesting. I wonder how bad sharks were before people started killing sharks. The Hawaiians have always highly respected the sharks... Is that because there were so many killed or just because of the potential.

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Re: Kaa Point shark bite - link

Postby Hawaiis » Tue Dec 03, 2013 9:11 pm

Shark attacks in Hawaii
2008 2
2009 3
2010 3
2011 3
2012 11
2013 13 so far,
Tell me there is no increase in attacks.

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Re: Kaa Point shark bite - link

Postby L0KI » Tue Dec 03, 2013 9:20 pm

Deserve?...really?...you realize them biting humans is not normal and is a mistake for most shark species, right? :)
It's statistically impossible and short sighted to conclude that discouraging the practice of slicing fins off and letting millions of sharks swim away to an unnatural death, leads to an increase in shark attacks.
Paying up to $100 for a bowl of soup is a study in strange human behavior, just like a dozen other expensive thrill fetish exotic eating experiences that are becoming popular for rich food weirdos, no different anymore than ground rhino horn as an aphrodisiac.
The Jersey shore attacks of the summer of 1916 were a statistical spike (four deaths, five attacks) just like what is being experienced off Maui at this point.
Conclusions cannot be made by sighting a statistically short spike like this.
Your's is an emotional reaction which is understandable, but that historically leads to poor decisions about animal control.
I think politicians can contribute to effecting tourism (positive and negative) in Hawaii in a multitude of ways, banning the practice of finning sharks is probably well down the list.

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Re: Kaa Point shark bite - link

Postby Hawaiis » Tue Dec 03, 2013 9:32 pm

http://oos.soest.hawaii.edu/pacioos/projects/sharks/
There are 7 sharks being tracked by satellites, maybe it is one of them.


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