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When to use down loops?

Postby live2play » Tue Dec 31, 2013 8:34 am

Just wondering when is the appropriate timing to use a down loop when jumping?

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Re: When to use down loops?

Postby Eurus » Tue Dec 31, 2013 9:02 am

Once you begin your descent you want to down loop it about 3-5 feet from the water. Loop it too soon and you will hit the water hard.

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Re: When to use down loops?

Postby SupaEZ » Tue Dec 31, 2013 1:22 pm

Like he said time it just after you reach the apex of the jump on the descent

3-5 ft is great advice and if you are much higher pull less hard on bar to slow down the loop

To change direction in mid-air (transition) 540 forwards from toeside or heelside = no twisted lines

To carve a turn unto a wave with speed in order to end up with kite drifting low going off the wind

Those above are my 3 favorites in the surf using strap surfboards

Also like 180 backs (air tack) from toeside and heelside ( but you get 2 line twist)

Also like table top (air jibe) from toeside and heelside ( one line twist like carving unto a wave)

I like to time the downloops off a wave or time them to land on the face of incoming wave

All those involve pulling on the bar with the front hand to make kite go downward into the loop

Every downloop move gives you board planing speed coming out of it

Land them or exit them on your toeside tack or heelside tack

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Re: When to use down loops?

Postby John-B » Tue Dec 31, 2013 6:45 pm

Check my video in this thread for some examples

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=2379225&hilit=downloop&start=10

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Re: When to use down loops?

Postby nikalaitzian » Tue Dec 31, 2013 7:33 pm

SupaEZ wrote:Like he said time it just after you reach the apex of the jump on the descent

3-5 ft is great advice and if you are much higher pull less hard on bar to slow down the loop

To change direction in mid-air (transition) 540 forwards from toeside or heelside = no twisted lines

To carve a turn unto a wave with speed in order to end up with kite drifting low going off the wind

Those above are my 3 favorites in the surf using strap surfboards

Also like 180 backs (air tack) from toeside and heelside ( but you get 2 line twist)

Also like table top (air jibe) from toeside and heelside ( one line twist like carving unto a wave)

I like to time the downloops off a wave or time them to land on the face of incoming wave



All those involve pulling on the bar with the front hand to make kite go downward into the loop

Every downloop move gives you board planing speed coming out of it

Land them or exit them on your toeside tack or heelside tack

Happy New Year :party1:



Ok Supa .... you said it all .... you rock man :thumb:

but you forgot that in EEEVERY megaloop you HAVE to downloop or kiteloop or else kite stays back,crash,rollover, and in the best case ... a lot of swiming :wink:

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Re: When to use down loops?

Postby misfit132 » Tue Dec 31, 2013 8:43 pm

Here is how I do downloops in big air boosts! :) Please notify me if I'm doing something wrong :D


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Re: When to use down loops?

Postby Toby » Tue Dec 31, 2013 9:23 pm

the downloop is a nice tool to make landings looks smoother, specially when in lighter winds.

In lighter winds the forward movement is sometimes missing, so instead of landing and more or less sink or get stuck on the water before going again, the downloop gives you forward speed for a smooth landing.

Also nice if you jump high and do rotations, keep the kite further behind the zenith, and before landing the downloop still keeps you up a bit for more hangtime and a super smooth landing. Very nice feeling too.

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Re: When to use down loops?

Postby edt » Tue Dec 31, 2013 10:57 pm

live2play wrote:Just wondering when is the appropriate timing to use a down loop when jumping?


use a downloop whenever you feel like it, it's nice on a front roll because it looks good and unwinds your lines. downloops are more gentle than kiteloops so they are pretty safe, but the same rule applies for both kite loops and downloops. If you do a loop on the way down it will cushion your jump and be more gentle, if you do a loop on the way up, it will yank you downwind and be more violent.

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Re: When to use down loops?

Postby tautologies » Tue Dec 31, 2013 11:24 pm

it does depend a bit on what you do...if you do it after a big jump I prefer doing it s bit higher then 3-5 ft..but like sup said slow it down...the front roll down loop can be done a lot earlier IMO it will come off stronger, I generally pull pull half way into the front roll almost regardless of where the kite is...the downloop is generally not as strong as a kite loop...but landing with speed is always a bit more fun.

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Re: When to use down loops?

Postby live2play » Wed Jan 01, 2014 5:01 pm

Thanks for all of the helpful pointers.
Would it be accurate to say that you should initiate the downloop about the same time as you would start redirecting the kite for landing a jump?


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