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 Post subject: Re: small wave kite = storm kite?
PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 1:47 am 
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Whats with the analretentiveness over the use of the word storm?

Sure a storm is 48-55 knots according to the beaufort scale. Who cares.

The the use of the term "storm kite" is widely used for the smallest kite you use in the windiest conditions you fly in. Its usually squally, rainy, frontal driven conditions 30+ knots.


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 Post subject: Re: small wave kite = storm kite?
PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 2:25 am 
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@waynepjh : good suggestion, my lithiums bars have adjustable line length! maybe this can work.

@irwe : I have yet to seen any real rider reviews on this kite from OR. Would love to see one flying, but nothing to date.

@plummet: Reo is right at the top of my list. I almost went for it originally, but got a 5M lithium instead. Have you found it to fold in a lot when depowered? Ya my 7M c4 was punchy, but worked pretty good, I thought it was good in the waves, drifted better than any of my other kites. was predictable and never ever folded in on me.

@Peter_Frank: Sorry, I clearly have misused the term "storm". I never realized it was associated with such a high wind level. What I meant was a lot of wind 30-40 knots. I'm 78 kg or about 175 pounds. I'm just looking for a comfortable kite in these conditions.

@RickI: I mean sustained high wind. You'll never catch me trying to kites in squall, thunderstorms or erratic conditions...my high end is 30ish gusting to 40. Anything more and I'll figure something else to do. just common sense.

@etd: I believe you understand what I'm after. The kite doesn't necessary need to be a wave kite (even though that is what I was originally asking about) I haven't considered the Rebel, but that could be a great idea. I hate 5 lines, my first kites were rebels, but the fifth line probably keeps the kite nice and stable, and prevents folding as well.

The 2011 c4's were more of a freeride kite, the current iteration is more more for freestyle and wake. I don't think I would spend the top dollar for what I'm looking for, I think I can do better.


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 Post subject: Re: small wave kite = storm kite?
PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 2:52 am 
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good luck. I know how hard it is to dial in a kite for those conditions when it only happens 3 or 4 times a year


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 Post subject: Re: small wave kite = storm kite?
PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 5:34 am 
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@plummet: Reo is right at the top of my list. I almost went for it originally, but got a 5M lithium instead. Have you found it to fold in a lot when depowered? Ya my 7M c4 was punchy, but worked pretty good, I thought it was good in the waves, drifted better than any of my other kites. was predictable and never ever folded in on me.

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I had a 2011 10m c4 and now a 2012 10m 4, plus 8m catalyst and 6 reo.

The reo/catalyst as more depower and less punch than the C4. Does the reo fold when depowered? No. Not unless its drops back into the power zone in a lull then get hit by a mega gust. That only usually happens with pilot error. You can get a lot of tip flutter in when depowered with the bar right out. Or id its not pump up porn star cock hard then the thing can fold.

PS Cat and Reo areway easier launch and relaunch than c4.


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 Post subject: Re: small wave kite = storm kite?
PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 7:34 am 
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I have a 6m 2010 naish cult which has seen a lot of use this year in storms we have had in the UK.
This kite is excellent in these conditions and doenst buckle , flap, or invert, I would love a 4.5 as it was to much fabric at times on a surfboard.


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 Post subject: Re: small wave kite = storm kite?
PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 3:37 pm 
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plummet wrote:
Whats with the analretentiveness over the use of the word storm?

Sure a storm is 48-55 knots according to the beaufort scale. Who cares.

The the use of the term "storm kite" is widely used for the smallest kite you use in the windiest conditions you fly in. Its usually squally, rainy, frontal driven conditions 30+ knots.


I think many will care :thumb:

It is wrong an misleading, to use the term storm, when it is just a strong breeze and up to high wind that is needed for the use of 5 and 6m2 kites :naughty:

Nobody would ever use the word "storm" kite of the normal 5 to 6m2, where these sizes are used often.

So important to be specific with such an important parameter, as wind strength and kite sizes IMO :wink:

8) Peter


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 Post subject: Re: small wave kite = storm kite?
PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 9:18 pm 
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Peter_Frank wrote:
plummet wrote:
Whats with the analretentiveness over the use of the word storm?

Sure a storm is 48-55 knots according to the beaufort scale. Who cares.

The the use of the term "storm kite" is widely used for the smallest kite you use in the windiest conditions you fly in. Its usually squally, rainy, frontal driven conditions 30+ knots.


I think many will care :thumb:

It is wrong an misleading, to use the term storm, when it is just a strong breeze and up to high wind that is needed for the use of 5 and 6m2 kites :naughty:

Nobody would ever use the word "storm" kite of the normal 5 to 6m2, where these sizes are used often.

So important to be specific with such an important parameter, as wind strength and kite sizes IMO :wink:

8) Peter


hahaha your a special kind of pedantic aren't you Peter. I assume you are an engineer and naturally think you are always right. In this instance you are completely wrong.

Quite clearly the term "storm kite" or "storm kiting"is often used as a term for 5-6m kite sizes and winds they are used in.

So much so that kite companies have released kites called storm kites in 5, 5.5 sizes.

http://oceanrodeo.com/products/storm

http://www.powerkiteshop.com/flexifoil_ ... r_kite.htm


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 Post subject: Re: small wave kite = storm kite?
PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 9:58 pm 
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English isn't his first language so he has the right to pedantic about literal meanings.


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 Post subject: Re: small wave kite = storm kite?
PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 10:46 pm 
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English isn't his first language so he has the right to pedantic about literal meanings.



ok for those that don't understand the English language there can be many meanings for the same word.

In this instance storm is used more widely than just the beaufort scale recommendation.

It generally refers to gusty, squally, raining conditions. 30+ knots, combined with a big sea aswell. The gusts are punchy the sea conditions are like a washing, you have to decide if the next squall coming through is going to kill you.... It all adds up to storm kiting.

I have literally had hundreds of conversions with kiters talking about storm kiting sessions. Not once have I had a conversation about gale kiting sessions.


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 Post subject: Re: small wave kite = storm kite?
PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 12:10 am 
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Normally I agree with most of Peter's posts, but in this case I agree with Plummet.

Storm kite is a term widely used for your smallest kite for 30+ knots (which is often cloudy, rainy and gusty). My 'storm kite' is a 7m c4 :thumb:

Using literal representations for the beaufort scale means Light Wind kites should be called Moderate Breeze kites, as light breeze is defined as 4-6 knots :wink:


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