One man's rediculous is another man's possible. 35 knots with 40 knot gusts is at the top end of your average weight bloke and average powered 7m .Laughingman wrote:Look even after 8 months the 3 alternatives he gives still do not address the fact that a 7m was not the choice for 40 knot conditions.... and that he was going out in 40 knot conditions ALONE!!!KYLakeKiter wrote: Well then. Since you are obviously all knowing and feel entitled to decide who should go do another activity I guess we should all just accept your opinion as gospel.
Get over yourself. It is good to discuss safety topics. Every decision does not go well and we can all learn from mistakes.
It is good to discuss safety topics, but the obvious is being overlooked here, a new kiter could easily misconstrue the advice given as it is okay to go out in 40 knots alone with the smallest kite you have, even though its still too big.... as long as you tether launch....
edt wrote:in my humble opinion this idea that "proper sized kite for the conditions" is a bit dangerous.
Kiters at certain ability levels have absolute wind limits they should never go over no matter what sized kite you are on. For beginners alone you should never be above beaufort scale 5 (above 21 knots). For intermediates alone you should never be above beaufort scale 8 (above 40 knots) for advanced riders alone you should never be out without a support crew above beaufort scale 10 (55 knots).
It's true a little kite pulls less and is more fun in high winds. But when you kite loop it, unless it is so small you can't ride, you quickly achieve wind speed. So for instance suppose you go out on a 3 meter kite in 40 knots. Seems safe right? But if the kite gets into a loop you will be going 40 knots with respect to the ground. That is a very hard crash even on the water. Suppose instead of a 3 meter kite you are out in a 7 meter kite in 40 knots and it loops? You hit the water with same speed 40 knots.
Just my opinion. I know many disagree. It's ok think if you think with the right sized kite you can go out in any conditions, I don't want to hijack this thread too much.
Basic premise is this: no matter what size kite you have, there are some conditions you are not ready for.
I don't think the 7 meter is the problem. Just too windy for the kiter's ability level that day alone tethered, drift, drag, reverse any kind of solo launch. Even on a 5 I think he waits for an assisted launch.
Why do you have to go out in the water to tether? Just tie a rope to anything that won't move near the shore. It's even better tethering with the kite sitting in the water in the wind window and chicken loop hooked in on shore. If there is nothing there to teether to, fill a sandbag and tie a rope to it then bury the sandbag. You can bury the rope if you want to hide it then pull it up when you come back next time. Then just use a D clip on both ends of a a 1 meter pc of rope to hook onto the sandbag rope and the other to your chicken loop. Piss easy.Don Monnot wrote:I just generally hate drift launching, and really try to avoid doing it. Because of that, I'm not very skilled at it. There's one launch I sometimes use that "requires" it, but I'm looking for an alternative.
The site has wading depth water out hundreds of yards from shore, so it's certainly possible to get well away from "hard stuff", and be in water anywhere from knee deep to chest deep water (series of sandbars). The problem is the blinkin' weeds! Half the time (or more) when I drift launch there at least one line will catch some weeds and screw up your launch. Hot launch with death loop, wingtip bridle wrap--you name it--happens pretty often. I made the mistake of launching there once when it was blowing about 30 mph. I won't do it again. I just won't ride there when it's that windy--unless you guys can suggest a safer alternative. Is it possible to do an anchored launch with a "not too expensive" anchor? I'm looking for suggestions on what to use.
Is there something you can screw into sand when you're in 18 - 24 inches of water, that can be installed by one person, easily removed, safe for the expected loads, and marked with a float while you're out kiting?
Can you use a tethered launch with weeds on a consistently successful basis?
Carrying a heavy anchor for a hundred yards (or more) with 2 ft chop won't work. It also has to be something that you can remove when it's time to head home. A permanent anchor that far from shore would require a permit, lights at night, etc.
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