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 Post subject: Re: New 2015 naish pivot?
PostPosted: Mon Jun 30, 2014 2:42 pm 
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Sgallian wrote:

Hey Taut (or anyone else, feel free to answer), since you seem to be the expert in Naish kites around here, tell me: I have a Park 2012 12m, which I am thinking to sell in order to get another 12m, more recent: I like it very much, but better low-end would definitely help...
Until a week ago, I thought I would wait and see if the Park 2015 would have any real new feature... And if not, I would go for the Park 2014 (got it in 8m, love it).
But I recently got to fiddle with the "Grunt" setting on my 12m, and it really looked like it made quite a difference, allowing me to ride in light wind with "maximum grunt", when I generally put it on "max depower" (and it was not enough to go upwind in 10 knts).
Since 2014, they took this option off (so they could set it with a static briddle I guess). So here is my question: has the 2014 Park better low-end than the 2013 Park set on maximum Grunt?

Still waiting to see what they changed for 2015, the Pivot looks nice enough, but even though I do go strapless when I have the occasion, my program is more freestyle-oriented, so I'll stay with the Park I guess.


You know I am not sure if the grunt is more powerful, I really did not try that side by side...and I assume it would be close. I would further assume the newer are better but I am not sure. What I did notice is the newer parks (last two years) hold on to the power much better. That means instead of spiking forward and dropping power it would move forward put hold on much better.

XRay: Did you try the latest Park? The way it loops now is much more full on turn, no stall on the bottom that I notice, and then lift right up to catch you. Obviously not as much power as the Torch, but still...I think the park this year is an even pull on the wave.

WaveRider / WestOzzy: I do agree that most ride feeride...but I like to hear what kites are good at simply it explains the main characteristics of the kite....it is obvious that it can do other things as well. The lael freeride kite does a poor job of communicating how it discriminates itself from other freeride kites.
I do love how Naish brings in comments from the designer explaining the design goals.

The pivot certainly feels like an even pull when turning. In side to side on shore this kite is so very nice.


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 Post subject: Re: New 2015 naish pivot?
PostPosted: Mon Jun 30, 2014 7:09 pm 
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Any info on the New Naish Fusion bar? They link to it on their page telling about the Pivot, but it's a dead link. The bar looks really nice.


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 Post subject: Re: New 2015 naish pivot?
PostPosted: Mon Jun 30, 2014 8:25 pm 
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Hi Alex- How's the Pivot's bar pressure compare to the Ride and the newer Parks ?


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 Post subject: Re: New 2015 naish pivot?
PostPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2014 1:56 am 
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ronf wrote:
Hi Alex- How's the Pivot's bar pressure compare to the Ride and the newer Parks ?


Very light, much lighter than PARK 2014, and extrem fast turning. The speed and feel of this kite, makes all that test it better riders in a instant!

Test this baby!!


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 Post subject: Re: New 2015 naish pivot?
PostPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2014 10:14 am 
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tautologies wrote:
Sgallian wrote:

Hey Taut (or anyone else, feel free to answer), since you seem to be the expert in Naish kites around here, tell me: I have a Park 2012 12m, which I am thinking to sell in order to get another 12m, more recent: I like it very much, but better low-end would definitely help...
Until a week ago, I thought I would wait and see if the Park 2015 would have any real new feature... And if not, I would go for the Park 2014 (got it in 8m, love it).
But I recently got to fiddle with the "Grunt" setting on my 12m, and it really looked like it made quite a difference, allowing me to ride in light wind with "maximum grunt", when I generally put it on "max depower" (and it was not enough to go upwind in 10 knts).
Since 2014, they took this option off (so they could set it with a static briddle I guess). So here is my question: has the 2014 Park better low-end than the 2013 Park set on maximum Grunt?

Still waiting to see what they changed for 2015, the Pivot looks nice enough, but even though I do go strapless when I have the occasion, my program is more freestyle-oriented, so I'll stay with the Park I guess.


You know I am not sure if the grunt is more powerful, I really did not try that side by side...and I assume it would be close. I would further assume the newer are better but I am not sure. What I did notice is the newer parks (last two years) hold on to the power much better. That means instead of spiking forward and dropping power it would move forward put hold on much better.

XRay: Did you try the latest Park? The way it loops now is much more full on turn, no stall on the bottom that I notice, and then lift right up to catch you. Obviously not as much power as the Torch, but still...I think the park this year is an even pull on the wave.

WaveRider / WestOzzy: I do agree that most ride feeride...but I like to hear what kites are good at simply it explains the main characteristics of the kite....it is obvious that it can do other things as well. The lael freeride kite does a poor job of communicating how it discriminates itself from other freeride kites.
I do love how Naish brings in comments from the designer explaining the design goals.

The pivot certainly feels like an even pull when turning. In side to side on shore this kite is so very nice.

Hi Taut, tested them all, was a tad better than 2013, but still... Looking forward to try the Pivot, perhaps next weekend...


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 Post subject: Re: New 2015 naish pivot?
PostPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2014 11:08 am 
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xray wrote:
Hi Taut, tested them all, was a tad better than 2013, but still... Looking forward to try the Pivot, perhaps next weekend...


nice. I just wondered because I thought the turning had changed really positively. I do know that different people find different things attractive. :-)

Pivot is definitely on my list. :-)


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 Post subject: Re: New 2015 naish pivot?
PostPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2014 4:42 pm 
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Rode Park, Torch and Ride

Park is a very nice kite but I found it twitchy in waveriding especially in its lowend.
Ride is a park and ride feel good kite which is more than enough for the vast majority of kiters, easy and forgiving. The Torch, ah, the Torch, great kite! Fast, responsive, precise, great handling, rode C kites and it made me longing for them again if it wasn't for the somwhat limited range compared to kites like the Park...

So, waiting for the Pivot to make me happy going back to Naish again since my Raven 1-2-3 period...


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 Post subject: Re: New 2015 naish pivot?
PostPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2014 7:35 pm 
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PAFF wrote:
.........makes all that test it better riders in a instant!

Test this baby!!


Hmmmmmm, hearing that for years and not getting better every year makes me feel I am getting worse instead ? :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: New 2015 naish pivot?
PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2014 9:23 pm 
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And, you have an idea of wind rage for the 10 m and the 7m, for example ?


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 Post subject: Re: New 2015 naish pivot?
PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2014 11:37 pm 
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Thanks, PAFF. Will try a Pivot for sure !


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