I'm not part of a 'lot' just an individual. I don't want to get rid of anything. I'm just discussing where kitesurf equipment might go in future.Jackie Treehorn wrote:Thats because they were crap. The single point attachment to the spreader bar made the hook far more susceptable to twisting forces than a conventional hook - mine lasted about 4 months before it sheared off completely. The little release lever was a pain to use - it was fiddly, prone to being knocked, only on one side and positioned far too close to the body compared to a modern chicken loop release. You also needed some tension in the lines for it to release reliably and the smaller closure on the loop made unhooking/hooking back in a bit of a pain.SalmonSlayer wrote:I have not seen anyone bring up the Surefire spreader bar from Slingshot.
You lot keep on saying that you want to improve on the modern connection system, but its still not clear what problems you have with it - other than occasionally becoming unhooked which is a minor inconvenience at worst.The chicken loop/spreader bar hook system that you want to get rid of gives you the option of launching unhooked, riding unhooked, does not rely on any mechanical components and gives you two completely seperate means of disengaging yourself for your kite. What exactly are this big improvements that these other systems bring to the table?
I have a Best redline chickenloop that used to cut though one end of the loop. I have a Switch chickenloop which is difficult to re-assemble. There is a range of chickenloops and problems people have with them are things like difficulty of re-assembly, prone to jamming with sand, too much force needed to release, takes up too much of their arm reach.
There are also good systems which work very well and do exactly what the owner wants.
There have been a couple of attempts recently to come up with a spreader bar hook quick release. I think the idea of a spreader bar Q/R hook is good, in that you only need one which you always use and it should reduce the cost of control bars. I expect that in years to come, that will be the industry standard.
I don't think the current designs are good enough.
The Surefire tried to incorporate a spinning leash, which doesn't have to be on the hook. It did have 2 good features in that it swivelled the hook up at about the right place and it had a small donkey dick which could be swung out of the way if not needed. As you say, a Q/R hook needs a stronger base attachment to the spreader bar. The release I have in mind would be a ridge shaped like an arc of a circle sitting on top of the hook base, which could be pulled to either side to release the hook. Swinging the hook back down would re-assemble the Q/R.
I also think sliding systems will become more common for those that don't unhook. Jay store have done a good job so far designing the Dynabar and I think there may be simpler systems in the future which are more specific to one user's needs.
Its a discussion, not a campaign.