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 Post subject: Up-to-date list of Top Airstyle kites
PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 10:59 am 
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Hi Guys,

Jan had a question, thats worth making it a new thread:


I did search in the forum for the ideal kite for airstyle but couldnt find a lot. Can you help me with your expertise?

Im 182cm tall and my weight is 78kg.

I heard that the Dynos from 2011 are good to stay long in the space?

And what do you think about the Epic Screamer?

Do you know any other kite models which keep you flying long and high?

Thanks so much and best wishes
Jan


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 Post subject: Re: Up-to-date list of Top Airstyle kites
PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 11:16 am 
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Hi Jan,

well the Dyno 2011 18/16/13 is Tobys choice, it is basically the original Airstyle Kite, but its technology from 2011 and its hard to find.

Here is a short list in random order (everyone feel free to add comments) of Kites that I heard do work well, like always its just my 2 cents, others might feel different

Updated list:

1 North Dyno 2011(see above)
2 North Airstyle Rebel (less low end, but more high end - better for lighter riders if below 18-22 knots)
3 Naish Draft (I fly this one by myself and love it, the new model is said to have a little less bar pressure and more stability in the big sizes 14 and 17, excellent Light Wind Relaunch System)
4 Ozone Edge (obviously a bit more difficult in handling then the Draft)
5 Epic Screamer (obviously a great kite, but only available in 16m max)
6 Slingshot Turbine (havent heard much about this one)
7 Flysurfer Speed (some like it for Airstyle - its a foil but goes huge)
8 Ozone Chrono (like the Flysurfer Speed, but a bit more tough to control, but a bit more hangtime/m2)
9 Switch Nitro (obviously not that much hangtime, but marginal difference, therefore low price)
10 Peter Lynn Fury


I personally will stick to Naish Drafts (quite similar shape as the 2011 Dyno) until North comes out with an Airstyle Kite in 18/15 or Epic produces the Screamer in 18m too. Even more important is a 2010-2012 North Bar with a Microloop/hook!

But who knows, maybe soon a few nice kites will show up?


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 Post subject: Re: Up-to-date list of Top Airstyle kites
PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 11:28 am 
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Actually to break it down once more what the Characteristics of an Airstyle kite are:

Updated list:

- High aspect ratio (so usually layouted as a boosting or racing kite) and therefore a lot of hangtime and lift

- Slow but not too slow turning speed (can be adjusted by barsettings (more tight = slower) line length (longer = slower) and attachement positions (towards the trailing edge = slower)

- Medium to high bar pressure (to feel where the kite is and to not accidentally steer the kite to far (can be adjusted by barsettings (more tight = more barpressure) line length (longer = less barpressure due to delay) and attachement positions (towards the trailing edge = less bar pressure)

- Predictable flight in the air, long floats

- Good static grunt and needs to transform energy into height when jumping off your board edge

- Lots of Depower (longer throw)

- Should travel to the edge of the wind window, but not too much (thicker fronttube to avoid too much)

- Lines between 24m (18m2) and 35m (13m")

So its all about personal taste and finding a happy balance!
Your Airstyle Kite has to give you lift, hangtime, the right bar pressure and the right turning speed.

Most important is good hangtime, slow turning speed. Lift is a bit less important, so is bar pressure (better too much then too little).

Its all about testing, try and error!


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 Post subject: Re: Up-to-date list of Top Airstyle kites
PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 11:45 am 
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You should try the Peter Lynn Fury model… Designed as a race kite has great qualities for Airstyle… and a few other things.


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 Post subject: Re: Up-to-date list of Top Airstyle kites
PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 1:06 pm 
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Added!


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 Post subject: Re: Up-to-date list of Top Airstyle kites
PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 3:01 pm 
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Lift IS important!

So is a good depower.

Had a 25 kn gust and a small kicker yesterday at Cabarete...I was sooo high!
18...No smaller kite jumped higher!

Loving it!


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 Post subject: Re: Up-to-date list of Top Airstyle kites
PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 7:45 am 
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Hi,

awesome all the input is so helpful! Thanks so mucho!!

Quick question, what happened to the newer/actual Dyno models in 2012/2013/2014? Too much race focus?

Cheers
Jan


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 Post subject: Re: Up-to-date list of Top Airstyle kites
PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 2:03 pm 
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Yes, too much race focus!


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 Post subject: Re: Up-to-date list of Top Airstyle kites
PostPosted: Sun Jul 20, 2014 12:52 am 
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I've ridden them...yes what is said above.


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 Post subject: Re: Up-to-date list of Top Airstyle kites
PostPosted: Sun Jul 20, 2014 1:21 am 
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high aspect kites do not give you any extra time in the air. That is they dont give you extra seconds. The time spent in the air is related to how high the kite jumps and the size of the kite.

High aspect will give you better upwind capabilities, it will be good for racing and if you want to go far on a jump it has excellent glide ratio, where a fat kite might only glide 3:1 a high aspect will glide 5:1 so you can go further when you jump. Once you are getting your kite high enough in the air and don't need to get any further up, high aspect doesn't do anything because it doesn't provide hangtime.

Think about it this way. If you have a world war 2 parachute with an aspect ratio of 1, it's a circle and compare it to a guy with an 8 meter ozone high aspect speed glider throw them both off a mountain who arrives at the ground first? the guy in the speed glider. But he might have glided a few miles away, while the parachutist while he hangs in the air for a half hour doesn't go anywhere lands right at the base of the mountain. But he can hang in the air a long time.

I don't think high aspect matters for a great airstyle kite. It is good to have a kite that jumps decent and is big enough you have time to put the board back on your feet.

I think the depower of a kite isn't as important as a good control bar, make sure you get one with plenty of throw. Most kites have more depower available than people ever use because they don't have enough throw in the bar.


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