My 10m is super fun to boost big air with in 28 knots, it flies just fine fully depowered in that wind. Could I switch to my 7m? Sure I could, but If I rigged the 10m for 22 knots and the wind picks up I don't want to have to come in and switch kites because my control bar can't handle it while my kite can.tautologies wrote:Isn't that a sign you are on the wrong kite?- When I'm flying my 10m in 28 knots I need that trim
I honestly don't know what you are talking about here. All you are doing when you trim a kite is adjusting where your arms will be with the bar. That's it.You are the first I have ever heard that would choose to have wrongly trimmed kite because its uncomfortable for your arms. Why wouldn't you want to have the kite correctly trimmed?- Why wouldn't I want to be able to adjust the natural position for my arms on the fly? don't your arms get tired holding the bar far away or close depending on the wind conditions?
I think you mean to say "with long arms and a long sheeting range", my whole point was that I can depower the kite and still have a natural stance while controlling it not some awkward tip of my fingers hoping a gust doesn't come along thing.I disagree...I think you are reaching here (hehe). I think you are finding reasons to keep trimming as opposed realizing you don't actually use it that much. People do ride differently though.- When I'm launching/landing it's nice to be able to trim the kite down without having to stretch my arms way out
I think the only time I use it is if I am out the wind comes up really heavily..and then it is a matter of being able to not really that it is matter of safety or anything like that. With a long sheeting range you'd hit that spot anyway.
Hi Herbert,herbert wrote:Ronnie,
I think your cleat on the bar idea is brilliant. I think it would work well one handed also, since you would have one hand on the center bar, sheeted way out, a slight pull on the center lines with that bar hand, and there would be almost no pressure on the line at the cleat to resist you.
I kited with the 17meter Cloud C2 and the Paipo (quite a light wind set up) in this today:
Kind of a 5 to 18 mph range I guess. I flew the kite higher during the higher winds for sure, but never came close to needing to fully extend my arms. The bar position moved of course....but never felt too far out or too far in. And this, too a substantial degree, is due exactly to what you said...the great change in kite behavior with a lesser amount of bar movement for the Clouds.
I like flying the Clouds so much that I didn't really want to go back to my other kites again to test. Hoping others would. But I will look for some wind that is really a bit too high for my 13.5 RRD and give it a go. What I can say is, in regular conditions with that kite and the BRM CS, the canopy flattened between the struts and the rear lines went slack well before I reached full extension. That is to say, I think it would work fine for your walk. I think, not I know. More testing needed to be sure.
If one has quite short arms and a waist harness that has ridden up 6 inches...maybe that could be a challenge (as it can also with a bar that loses range of motion when trimmed way in). Because I can get the Cloud kites to depower both more fully and more immediately than my others....my waist harness riding up is much less of a concern...ie. not a concern. A gust I feel mostly in the bar....the bar goes right out...and I get no harness tug.
You know...continuing the slight aside conversation...Cloud/ CS riders are thinking drift, fast, and stuff like that. The person I want to give a 9m Cloud with a CS bar set on the closest knot and with a well secured seat harness is that kiter we have all seen: The 105 pound 5'2" woman who launches a kite and is flying down the sand overpowered and struggling to pull a trim strap and even after pulled in is struggling due to her limited reach. Giving an extra 5 inches of throw to that person....plus a kite that will depower more than any other with that extra 5 inches out...seems like a safer proposition to me. Just a thought.
Just an FYI - Some two front line flag kites will also flag to a single line. As an example, Cabrinha as publicly confirmed 2014/2015 bars (single line flag) are compatible with their earlier kites (two front line flag).ronnie wrote: My other kites flag to two front lines, so the BRM bar unfortunately would not suit them.
True - but I prefer the IDS for the drift launching and packdown properties.longbeachrider wrote:Just an FYI - Some two front line flag kites will also flag to a single line. As an example, Cabrinha as publicly confirmed 2014/2015 bars (single line flag) are compatible with their earlier kites (two front line flag).ronnie wrote: My other kites flag to two front lines, so the BRM bar unfortunately would not suit them.
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