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Calling Airstylers: going big on 18 Dyno 2011

Postby heinzbush » Sat Aug 16, 2014 5:26 pm

Hi All,

Finally got my 2011 Dyno Range together and having fun on the 16... Also got the 18 and playing with that as well, BUT particularly on the 18, I have a few questions:

- I used it mainly in light winds, and when it hits 15 knots, it can be hand full... How do u guys use it in more than 20??? Standing on the beach, it already pulls quite strong...
- on the other hand, since I was overpowered, I switched to my small Mako... But now I hardly could get going... I'm 105kg and the Mako with 135 is quite a small board...since I couldn't build speed, I couldn't build apparent wind and get going...
- finally: going big: I was not really able to go big with this kite... I know it's me, I'm doing something wrong... Most of the time I could not hold the edge and didn't go high, just far downwind... What's your technique Toby: when you go left, send the kite, when do you sheet in and pop off? At 11? 11.30? 12? 1?

Minor thing:: when I pumped it up, I thought the bladder was twisted at the 2nd strut from the tip, this is where the kite folds when it sits on the tip....... It looked strange, like that the LE is not perfectly round, but then I checked at other side, and it looked similar ... Once I pumped it fully, it was almost gone and it looked fine...

Any thoughts, comments are appreciated...

Thx

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Re: Calling Airstylers: going big on 18 Dyno 2011

Postby Toby » Sat Aug 16, 2014 6:09 pm

All technique ;-)

Get used to ride powered.
Learn how to edge hard. Maybe get a smaller board.

My depower is very long...so this way I get a lot of depower in the kite.

The 18 should have more depower than the 16.

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Re: Calling Airstylers: going big on 18 Dyno 2011

Postby Toby » Sat Aug 16, 2014 6:11 pm

When the kite is about 12 I pull in.

I had this too...LE tube looks twisted, once pumped all good.
But always important to have a look at LE when you pump it hard, could easily be a twist if it does not flatten out.

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Re: Calling Airstylers: going big on 18 Dyno 2011

Postby Westozzy » Sun Aug 17, 2014 6:29 am

Heinz, try getting on a small TT (less than 130 and less than 39 wide), with as square (straight) edge as possible and a really squared off tips. You gotta be able to hold that load hence need as much rail in the water as possible, and square tips to really stamp pop that back foot down when you pull in the throw. I've had makos, they will not do for what you are trying on that particular kite. Well of course you can learn to make whatever work, but the design is all wrong on principle.

I'm only 73kg and have a 126 by 36 rad 4 and I can hold down the winds you are talking about, so it's technique but also board choice. Infact that's where it starts getting fun and the tricks get easier!

Keep at it man it will click soon enough!

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Re: Calling Airstylers: going big on 18 Dyno 2011

Postby s1buell_wl » Sun Aug 17, 2014 1:54 pm

Westozzy wrote:Heinz, try getting on a small TT (less than 130 and less than 39 wide), with as square (straight) edge as possible and a really squared off tips. You gotta be able to hold that load hence need as much rail in the water as possible, and square tips to really stamp pop that back foot down when you pull in the throw. I've had makos, they will not do for what you are trying on that particular kite. Well of course you can learn to make whatever work, but the design is all wrong on principle.

I'm only 73kg and have a 126 by 36 rad 4 and I can hold down the winds you are talking about, so it's technique but also board choice. Infact that's where it starts getting fun and the tricks get easier!

Keep at it man it will click soon enough!


I've type this before.... Its a package you need to take a big kite into higher wind. I'm 80k and can hold my 19m into +20kns. Last week I had the 11m in over 30kns... Man crazy great jumps.

Anyway West is right First you need at least a 128. I have the 2010 128 FS RF. You also need a harness that will lower your center of gravity (this is really important). I'm not sure if the board or harness is more important.

My kit
19Edge (I will sell this thing in Oct when my 2015 18m Rebel gets here)
Fly Surfer 128x38 Fly Radical
Ocean Rodeo Hybrid Harness (OR2)

This setup will get you going into 20kns no issue with the 18m.

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Re: Calling Airstylers: going big on 18 Dyno 2011

Postby davesails7 » Sun Aug 17, 2014 4:18 pm

s1buell_wl wrote:You also need a harness that will lower your center of gravity (this is really important). I'm not sure if the board or harness is more important.


What do you mean? Seat harness?

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Re: Calling Airstylers: going big on 18 Dyno 2011

Postby Toby » Sun Aug 17, 2014 4:24 pm

Yes, a seat harness will help you to put more pressure onto the board.

On the other side a waist makes Boardoffs easier...

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Re: Calling Airstylers: going big on 18 Dyno 2011

Postby TheRussian » Mon Aug 18, 2014 3:10 pm

s1buell_wl wrote:
Westozzy wrote:You also need a harness that will lower your center of gravity (this is really important). I'm not sure if the board or harness is more important..


Really ? No sign of anyone using a seat at the Red Bull King of the Air 2014

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Isn't it more about technique (being fully powered/knowing how/when to edge & timing) :D

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Re: Calling Airstylers: going big on 18 Dyno 2011

Postby heinzbush » Mon Aug 18, 2014 5:00 pm

Thanks for all the comments so far!

I love my small Mako, but it seems its the wrong board to pair with an 18 Dyno... I guess I have a reason to shop around :)

One follow up @ Toby:
do you get more high end out of the 18 than on the 16?? U said you get more depower out of the 18 than the 16....

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Re: Calling Airstylers: going big on 18 Dyno 2011

Postby Toby » Mon Aug 18, 2014 6:55 pm

I tested the 16 and once it got speed it was hard to slow down.
The 18 has more depower than the 16, since it does not pull me that hard when it gets some speed.


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