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 Post subject: Re: Interesting Judging Discussions
PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2014 11:31 pm 
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So here comes in the definition of risk. Risk to injury, personal safety etc or risk in terms of the difficulty In pulling off the move successfully within a completion environment where you can lose valuable time if you drop your board etc.

In my mind the risk profile should be balanced between the two.

It is worth tinkering around with the judging for a while to see what manifests from riders as they will ride to score what is valued ultimately.

...you'd rather do a 1080 forward roll board off in overpowered conditions than a loop...really? So much more room for error and consequences on the first in my mind...

I will be proven wrong when I see competitors doing the former over the latter...or is that driven by judgement value of a move.

We will see I suppose.


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 Post subject: Re: Interesting Judging Discussions
PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2014 11:50 pm 
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Sinthoras1 wrote:
Just to get things straight: Let's say we have 2 riders, jumping exactly to the same height. Rider 1 takes his board between the legs and makes a handle pass megaloop. Definitely a high risk factor, especially since no one even tried it before. Now comes rider 2 and makes a normal megaloop but so near to the beach, that a gust would shoot him on itl. Rider 2 should be the winner and it's not even close as he was seriously risking his life.


Im pretty sure when using risk to assign a score to a move in a comp it has nothing to do with risks the rider adds to the equation with things like proximity to the beach or other riders etc. Its the risk inherent in the move itself that would also obviously be affected by amplitude, height, power, wind etc.

The argument "why don't we just go back to 2 line kites with no release and no leash" is a red herring argument. Risk as a judging criteria is about pushing the sport to its limit within the context of world class riding, not regression for the sake of added risk.


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 Post subject: Re: Interesting Judging Discussions
PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 12:37 am 
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My judging opinion is that with the footage shown - that kiteloop smoked the board offs - due to speed aggression and risk (only just caught in time!). Like I say tho the fast double front was pretty cool.

kite size does effect risk too - and that has to be a consideration also


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 Post subject: Re: Interesting Judging Discussions
PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 8:05 am 
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Westozzy wrote:
In my mind the risk profile should be balanced between the two.

It is worth tinkering around with the judging for a while to see what manifests from riders as they will ride to score what is valued ultimately.

I guess that's what they intended with risk. If all the judges balance the two definitions differently it also explains wy they come to very different conclusions for a rider like Toby who doesn't want to hurt himself but takes huge risks to loose valuable time when doing his boardflips etc.

Yes I think they are still tinkering around. The extreme focus on height and risk might be their answer to the highly technical main event and to get even more extreme than KOTA. Hope they keep the judging balanced. The variety of tricks is what I like most in KOTA. When judging is unbalanced riders will do just the tricks that are overrated. That's why I liked it that Langeree, a rider that performed loops and board offs won this years KOTA.

About the material: We saw a bunch of 2 line kites making hundreds of meters in height in the early days. Many riders where dying because of this. Yes they had a very narrow wind range, but that doesn't really matter too much in a 20 minutes heat in which you have a set of kites on the beach. My guess is that once kite companies start to develop pure jumping machines again they will come up with special big air kites that fly over 100m. Todays pros should be able to handle it and come down with kiteloops. The risk factor would still be huge.


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