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Re: Global winds...getting less?

Postby SalmonSlayer » Sun Oct 04, 2015 7:55 am

alamos_kiter wrote: Well this is the point I just don't get: if you assume, for the sake of argument, that using wind and sun instead of petrol and coal to produce our energy is a wise step, then you assume you have to invest heavily in infrastructure (power grid...), but will have a free source of energy in the future. This opens up a gigantic business opportunity for everybody. The only companies who may lose (and thus are interested in regulatory measures to protect them) are big oil, but even they can participate in the new game as they have big $$ reserves. Car companies can get rich with electric cars instead of gas guzzlers, they have the technique developed already and the plans in the drawer.

So if you assume the industrialized countries take that step to change their energy production and consumption scheme, it is the biggest biz boost you can think of. Why on earth would that be considered as anti-capitalistic by anybody but big oil who want to protect their status quo?
If we would just leave our progress up to innovation and let market forces dictate when and how we toggle over to different energy sources, I think it would be great.

Do you not see any loud voices shouting that we are in crisis mode, the sea could rise, droughts will increase, the sky will fall.....unless we act now. They want more control over our lives via a managed economy to save the earth.

Here is one example. http://www.climatedepot.com/2015/09/24/ ... n-climate/

Look at who is advising the Pope on AGW. It is quite a cast of characters. Pay close attention to Naomi Klein, but they all merit attention.

UN Advisor Jeffrey Sachs
In 2009, Sachs addressed the annual conference of the Party of European Socialists. He described the “profound honor” of addressing the far-Left Party of European Socialists and said they were heirs and leaders of the most successful economic and political system in the world — Social Democracy. Social equity, environmental sustainability, and fiscal redistribution are the successful elements in managing a just society, Sachs maintained. This is, he argues, in marked contrast to the U.S., whose taxes are too low and where the poor are ignored.

Hans Joachim Schellnhuber
"Schellnhuber has also declared human society needs to be managed by an elite group of “wise men.” He referred to this idea as his “master plan” for the “great transformation” of global society.

Naomi Oreskes
Oreskes is perhaps best known for her calls for placing restrictions on the freedom of speech of global warming skeptics. Oreskes believes climate skeptics who dissent from the UN/Gore climate alarmist point of view should be prosecuted as mobsters for their tobacco lobbyist style tactics. See: Merchants of Smear: Prosecute Skeptics Like Gangsters?! Warmist Naomi Oreskes likes the idea of having climate ‘deniers’ prosecuted under the RICO act (Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act).

Prof. Peter Wadhams
Another key advisor to Pope Francis is Cambridge University Professor Peter Wadhams. Wadhams is a scientist and activist whose views are so extreme that even many of his fellow global warming advocates distance themselves from him. In 2014, NASA’s lead global warming scientist Dr. Gavin Schmidt ridiculed Wadhams for “using graphs with ridiculous projections with no basis in physics.”

Naomi Klein
Klein was brought into the Vatican climate process by one of the Pope’s key aides, Cardinal Peter Turkson, to lead a high-level conference. Klein, described by the Washington Post as a “secular” feminist, is a “ferocious critic” of 21st century capitalism. Klein believes: “To fight climate change we must fight capitalism.” Klein explained: “There is still time to avoid catastrophic warming but not within the rules of capitalism as they are currently constructed.”

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Re: Global winds...getting less?

Postby alamos_kiter » Sun Oct 04, 2015 9:05 am

SalmonSlayer wrote:... If we would just leave our progress up to innovation and let market forces dictate when and how we toggle over to different energy sources, I think it would be great....
This exactly is the problem: Big Oil and Big Nuke are and have been heavily subsidized for decades, there is no free energy market. They are practically exempt of all liability for any damage they cause, exempt to take care where they store their residues. Look at the oil spills which destroyed some areas for decades, and what happened? "Sorry" and some peanut payment. Most part of the cleaning up (getting rid of the visible mess that is, which is only the smallest part) was paid by the public. Nobody was interested to invest into the development of alternatives for a long time because the Oil and Nuke lobby groups made it quite clear there was no change going to be happening.

The free market theory à la Adam Smith has proven not to work out - the result is, as you see in the USA, a society with 1% extremely rich people, an ever growing number of people who can't even afford medical treatment, and a vanishing middle class. How they are going to secure social peace in the long run is a mystery to me - I think it'll rather end like in South Africa, with gated communities for the rich folks, and heavily armed private forces to uphold the order within the country. Sooner or later USA is facing a civil war, if demographic changes don't mix the whole situation up (latinos outnumbering the white anglosaxon population).

Ordoliberalism so far worked out well - i.e. in Germany - where the state sets a legal framework wherein the free market forces act, therefore assuring that the essential social needs - health, infrastructure asf - are covered for everybody and not just for a small part of the population.

Now if you think the Neo Con approach through to the end, it's a shark pool where only 1 guy is left, killing the rest. It's the ultimate fight, no rules. I don't think it will happen though, because before long, the ever growing number of losers of that game will stand up and fight the big heads. And there are enough firearms around in the US to make sure it's going to be a right splatter movie.
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Re: Global winds...getting less?

Postby alamos_kiter » Sun Oct 04, 2015 10:02 am

marlboroughman wrote:...I got to tell you this intellectual cancer of ... pure opportunists is bothering me.

I lived through communism and I got the message for you: This is it. Totalitarian regime that imposes it's will on others, causing misery and yes, death included...
You know what Marlman, so you grew up in Poland, were not happy with communism (as you probably were on the losing side), and left mid 90s for Canada. Made some money in Canada, and as you are now on the winning side, with a bit of cash in the pocket, you pick one of those oh so bad communist regimes, Cuba, to install yourself. Buying yourself 3 houses. Playing Mr. Big. Because when you're on the winning side, communism isn't all that bad, is it?

Your bigotry disgusts me.

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Re: Global winds...getting less?

Postby marlboroughman » Sun Oct 04, 2015 10:59 am

And what is your nationality? and what you are doing here since Germany is so great? And what is your problem with me spending money in Cuba? What is your general fucking problem?

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Re: Global winds...getting less?

Postby alamos_kiter » Sun Oct 04, 2015 2:33 pm

marlboroughman wrote:1. And what is your nationality? 2. and what you are doing here since Germany is so great? 3. And what is your problem with me spending money in Cuba? 4. What is your general fucking problem?
1. European
2. Doing where?
btw. ordoliberalism isn't limited to Germany, that's just an example you might have heard of
3. Bigotry, hypocrisy, bias, as you, at the same time, damn communism and opportunists. You yourself are a war profiteer.
4. Dummies

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Re: Global winds...getting less?

Postby fokiten » Sun Oct 04, 2015 4:10 pm

In sequent toil all forwards do contend.

The ephemera equivalent of a pool of molten salt...

And it's all stored right here!
Sweet

Carry on

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Re: Global winds...getting less?

Postby alamos_kiter » Sun Oct 04, 2015 4:40 pm

Shakespeare's view on current issues. Interesting angle :D

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Re: Global winds...getting less?

Postby loco4viento » Sun Oct 04, 2015 10:41 pm

Every day I realize more and more how little I know. While some of you are so brilliant that you're convinced you have a deep understanding of all the variables related to our climate and have no doubts about how to solve the world's greatest problems, I didn't even know until right now that "European" is a nationality.
alamos_kiter wrote:
marlboroughman wrote:1. And what is your nationality? 2. and what you are doing here since Germany is so great? 3. And what is your problem with me spending money in Cuba? 4. What is your general fucking problem?
1. European
2. Doing where?
btw. ordoliberalism isn't limited to Germany, that's just an example you might have heard of
3. Bigotry, hypocrisy, bias, as you, at the same time, damn communism and opportunists. You yourself are a war profiteer.
4. Dummies

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Re: Global winds...getting less?

Postby SalmonSlayer » Sun Oct 04, 2015 11:24 pm

alamos_kiter wrote:
SalmonSlayer wrote:... If we would just leave our progress up to innovation and let market forces dictate when and how we toggle over to different energy sources, I think it would be great....
This exactly is the problem: Big Oil and Big Nuke are and have been heavily subsidized for decades, there is no free energy market. They are practically exempt of all liability for any damage they cause, exempt to take care where they store their residues. Look at the oil spills which destroyed some areas for decades, and what happened? "Sorry" and some peanut payment. Most part of the cleaning up (getting rid of the visible mess that is, which is only the smallest part) was paid by the public. Nobody was interested to invest into the development of alternatives for a long time because the Oil and Nuke lobby groups made it quite clear there was no change going to be happening.

The free market theory à la Adam Smith has proven not to work out - the result is, as you see in the USA, a society with 1% extremely rich people, an ever growing number of people who can't even afford medical treatment, and a vanishing middle class. How they are going to secure social peace in the long run is a mystery to me - I think it'll rather end like in South Africa, with gated communities for the rich folks, and heavily armed private forces to uphold the order within the country. Sooner or later USA is facing a civil war, if demographic changes don't mix the whole situation up (latinos outnumbering the white anglosaxon population).

Ordoliberalism so far worked out well - i.e. in Germany - where the state sets a legal framework wherein the free market forces act, therefore assuring that the essential social needs - health, infrastructure asf - are covered for everybody and not just for a small part of the population.

Now if you think the Neo Con approach through to the end, it's a shark pool where only 1 guy is left, killing the rest. It's the ultimate fight, no rules. I don't think it will happen though, because before long, the ever growing number of losers of that game will stand up and fight the big heads. And there are enough firearms around in the US to make sure it's going to be a right splatter movie.
Ahhh yes there it is and so predictable. It is a pity you and many like you don't put a higher value on creating an environment where personal freedoms are more important than the collective. You sound like a socialist of sorts which explains your narrative. You have bought into class envy. Life is unfair. There are no equal outcomes. Get over it. I have. You think allowing companies to keep money they have earned and will invest in new business is a subsidy. Note that a "subsidy" is something like giving money to public television, the Arts or planned parenthood. A tax write off is not a subsidy. allowing companies to keep money instead of giving it to the government allows companies to create jobs and more profits for stock holders.

More about your narrative. The rich are greedy because they earn a lot of money and enjoy their financial position. Yet, it is never considered greedy to think it is OK to take their money and give it to others that did not earn it. If rich people are going to need private forces and walled fortresses, it is because people have bought onto the socialist/communist ideals. They have been told the rich are the boogy man. It is just like telling them that there is a climate crisis to get people to look for government solutions. In either case capitalism has been made the boogy man. It is being done by tapping onto peoples fears and class envy. It is emotion driven and points towards bigger government as the answer. Once again, just look at those advising the Pope. What is their agenda. There are many more like them.

Back to Environmental Warmista BS. Before you continue to pat yourself on your back for your superior environmental consciousness and feeling good about yourself, watch this video on recycling. Just another load of spoon fed garbage (pun intended) you nave been sucking and swallowing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=322&v=yh-KDa_Jmok

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Re: Global winds...getting less?

Postby marlboroughman » Mon Oct 05, 2015 3:14 am

In July of 2014, NASA launched its most advanced carbon dioxide monitoring satellite, The Orbiting Carbon Observatory (OCO-2). The first OCO burned up on launch. There has been a lot of anticipation regarding the data from this instrument. However, over a year after it launch, there has been little public information presented about its results.

But lets look first at the NASA CO2 concentrations model before they launched the satellite.



Like all the models it turned out to be total bullshit.

Now, lets looks at the still unreleased annualized satellite data of CO2 concentrations.

Image

China and Japan clearly centres of industrial emissions, but apart from that looks like nature is emitting more than us. What jumps out at you and what was long suspected that boreal forests are net emitters and so is Amazon and Equatorial Africa and even Appalachian region in US. Another interesting things, Australia and Sahara are CO2 sinks and of course the the biggest sink of all the cold southern ocean. But what is going on in Northern Atlantic nobody knows, Iceland volcanic activity? Maybe it's time to rethink forest management to allow for more harvest and not leaving everything to rot at the bottom belching out all that CO2.


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