pmoreira - I agree in part with you actually.
I probably only need one land reference - where my kite should be.
This is the most difficult bit as I don't really know which direction wind is blowing to/from as soon as i start a water start
So if I know -that I "need to keep my kite over this mountain 20 miles away" - this feels like pretty useful piece of info as it will be immediately obvious to me if I take kite too much to the edge of the window and am in danger of losing all power. or take kite too much downwind and going too much downwind - with kite lines losing tension and kite losing power as it drifts straight downwind....
The second piece of info is how far left from kite direction I need to point my board:
A) at the time of waterstart/half way up on the board and
B) 3-5 seconds later for example.
C)eventually - say after 15-20 secs
Say there is a big difference if i point board 60 degrees left from kite or 15 degrees - there must be an approximate optimum for average conditions (obviously depends on conditions )...
windsucks - thanks cool looking video. It does help a bit -
it looks like wind direction in the video is almost straight onshore? Having shore visible in first 30 seconds give this video a point of reference:-)
So from the video it looks like kite is 45 degrees from wind direction...
Board is all over the place but when he actually manages a waterstart it looks like he is about 15-20 degrees from kite(!) direction which makes it 65-70 degrees from wind direction?
I guess i'd be really happy with a video taken from a drone flying right above (!!!!) a kite and kitesurfer waterstarting and going for a bit with exact wind direction shown as an arrow or a stationery waving flag in the picture
That would be perfect!!!!!!
Actually - may be such a video exists somewhere?
Thanks Jeromet you are closest to answering what i want to know ( I am an engineer so think in measurable values, sorry
1) board is somewhat 90 degree prior to diving kite, maybe on first try you turn board to 5 degree downwind half way up but on second try it's more like 70 degree. very quickly you barely turn board downwind...
Not sure what you mean as first try and second try:
>>first try you turn the board 5 degree downwind
Do you mean it points across the wind at 85 degrees to the wind on first try (which first try? my first ever attempt to waterstart?)
Do you mean 85 degrees to the downwind is wrong as all beginners keep board too much across the wind?
Or do you mean the opposite - that i should point the board almost downwind (5 degrees from downwind direction)?
>>but on second try it's more like 70 degree. very quickly you barely turn board downwind...
Do you mean that on my second day (second try?) will be pointing the board 70 degree to the wind direction (almost across the wind). That is turns it about 20 degrees from across position?
So 70 degrees is what I should really be using?
This sounds a bit too much across???
And why a big variation 70 - 5 = 65 degrees - this is almost like saying there is no optimal direction???
So what is good for a beginner - 5 degrees from downwind direction to start with?
From all videos of good riders water starting they do point the board downwind quit a bit and only gradually change direction later?
2) when people say downwind they don't mean 0 degree, more like 85 or 90. Even with board aimed at 90 degree from wind you still go downwind because your board doesn't track perfectly straight...
Anyway don't think about it that way, try to aim the board a bit away from kite. and try to aim as much as you can away without slowing down too much>>
What's "a bit" away from the kite - 15 degrees (half an hour on horizontal clock) 30 degrees (one hour)?
A bit is very vague - I need to visualize it so I can draw it - otherwise how am i going to fo it right if i do not know what right is?
I need to know what i need to do a reference before I try to do it.
Then I can try and keep the kite in the best location. Otherwise I might end up with kite on the edge of the window not pulling?
<<3) once you are up the kite is between 1 and 2 o clock not moving. I wouldn't worry about it's position depth in window.
if this is 1 and 2 o'clock on a horizontal clock face - that means 45 degrees to the wind direction - sounds about right to me - is this what I should be aiming then? Kite at 45 degrees - half way between downwind and across the wind?
And the board : say 15 degrees from kites direction - which makes it 60 degrees from wind direction (10 o clock hr on the horizontal clock face)
4)As I keep riding i start going across wind more (say after first 10-15 m). Where do I stop as a beginner - I know I can eventually ride up wind but obviously not now... So where do I go relative to the wind direction actually:
15/30/45/60 degrees/75 degrees (roughly).
<<4) not sure what you mean.>>
I mean everybody recommends gradually go away from the wind as you gain speed (say after first 5-10 sec). Obviously in conditions i described there is a limit to how far across or may be even upwind I can go as I will stop eventually...
- if my kite pulls at 45 degrees to the wind as suggested above - then if I go 90 degrees from kite pull direction (it will be 135 degrees from wind direction or 45 degrees upwind).
Then the force of the kite will be 90 degrees to my board and i will definitely stop?
May be I should ask:
if kite pulls in a direction - what is average max angle between kite lines' projection on water and board direction?
This is the "bit" away from kite described above? What is maximum value of this "bit" I can have as a beginner who cant really edge hard yet?
30 degrees/45 degrees/60 degrees? What a good kiteboarder can do in average conditions - 70 may be?
For example when this angle is 45 degrees and kite is between 1 and 2 (45 degrees in horizontal plane) it means my board is right across wind (45+45=90)?
Obviously I will still be going a bit downwind as boards slides sideways on the water a bit....
Again a video from a drone of a rider going in average conditions would help a lot (with wind arrow is shown.)