Do not quit totally agree - videos are misleading - depending on camera settings (zzom) the same dive might look like 30 degrees or 70 degrees - there is simply no references when camera is on the water. When you watch it on a small screen the actual angle kite moves relative to your eyes is about 5 degrees - so you can't really tell by watching videos... The only one which will give you correct angle will be one taken from straight above obviously....All the info you'll ever need is here and in the videos
Agree 100% - this is exactly why I need a landmark to keep my kite above! Obviously if it is far enough it is always on the same direction so I will alwasy try to keep kite in the best position!the problem is knowing which bit of info you need and remembering it on the water!
Thanks badgb21 - you are the star - this is what I was really asking!Dive the kite to the side you want to go, about 45 degs from dead downwind. Point your board at the kite and as you rise from the water, get the up stroke going and slowly start to turn the nose of the board and begin edging in the direction of travel. Edge slowly and eventually you will travel perpendicular to the wind and in time begin to go upwind.
There will be plenty of advices, everyone more or less related your to your problem. Everything matters and same time nothing matters. Your original answer was so precise that with this sport it doesn't work. You really cannot define what angle you have to keep your kite and/or board. There's no exact measurements for you, it changes all the time. How strong is the wind, how fast you go, what angle you are in, etc. I started this winter on ice, which was easy for me. I struggled to get into water as I had never done any water sports, it took me 5-6 different trips to beach until I got it and when I got it I was almost over powered. I'm still strugling to go upwind in light winds, but I think I got it eventually.dylan* wrote: ↑Fri Jun 16, 2017 1:20 amyou dont need to worry about the exact angle you water start at.
just dive the kite hard and let the power of the kite pull you up, and point the board mostly in the direction that the kite's pulling you. at the end of your kite dive, redirect it back up. at this point you should be standing straight up and gliding downwind a bit. if you arent moving, you probably didn't dive the kite hard enough, or you didn't redirect it back up hard enough (equally important in most cases). once youre up and moving, you can start to edge more and more away from the kite and put a little more weight on your front foot, you should pick up more speed by doing this. so to put it simply: let the kite pull you downwind and follow it with your board, then once you're up and moving start to edge against it.
It's nice to see you are stoked and you are probably trying to visualize what you need to do until next session. You will probably laugh looking back to all those questions after a few more sessionssergei Scotland wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2017 11:50 pm
Not sure what you mean as first try and second try:
>>first try you turn the board 5 degree downwind
Do you mean it points across the wind at 85 degrees to the wind on first try (which first try? my first ever attempt to waterstart?)
Do you mean 85 degrees to the downwind is wrong as all beginners keep board too much across the wind?
Or do you mean the opposite - that i should point the board almost downwind (5 degrees from downwind direction)?
>>but on second try it's more like 70 degree. very quickly you barely turn board downwind...
Do you mean that on my second day (second try?) will be pointing the board 70 degree to the wind direction (almost across the wind). That is turns it about 20 degrees from across position?
So 70 degrees is what I should really be using?
This sounds a bit too much across???
And why a big variation 70 - 5 = 65 degrees - this is almost like saying there is no optimal direction???
So what is good for a beginner - 5 degrees from downwind direction to start with?
From all videos of good riders water starting they do point the board downwind quit a bit and only gradually change direction later?
He said that 45 degrees is where you want the kite to be most of the time as you are pumping.3. Dive the kite to the side you want to go, about 45 degs from dead downwind. Point your board at the kite and as you rise from the water, get the up stroke going and slowly start to turn the nose of the board and begin edging in the direction of travel. Edge slowly and eventually you will travel perpendicular to the wind and in time begin to go upwind.
2)That was my second quiz question in my other thread which i started (to answer the kite location only question as this thread was too wide - not specific enough)...Varjis is right, it's hard to give you and exact angle because it's too dependent on conditions. When wind is strong you you literally pull on bar which bring you up on board then ride away straight upwind...
Because wind is stronger you don't need to dive kite as hard to get enough power to get going. When it's light you put kite slightly to the other side of window before diving it so it goes really deep in the window for a long power stroke that way you get up and go almost in one stroke and perhaps getting back up is enough to get going.sergei Scotland wrote: Say I have a bigger kite/more wind - so I do not need to pump at all.
But still well within kite range - we are not talking 30 mph here.
Are we saying that waterstart kite position will change to be more like 60 degrees to the wind direction? And board probably more like 60 to 80-85 degrees? Does it happen this way?
3) I also have a third question: If wind is lighter and everybody have to constantly pump the kite - does the average kite position go towards say 30-35 degrees off wind direction?
Say 30 degrees right from wind direction if I go right? Or does it pretty much stays to be 45 degrees - and I just need to pump all the time?
I am asking the other 2 questions because wind is variable and i need to be able to waterstart in different conditions during the same session. So I need to adjust my visual picture and my landmark accordingly...
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