sergei Scotland wrote: ↑
Thu Jun 15, 2017 11:50 pm
Not sure what you mean as first try and second try:
>>first try you turn the board 5 degree downwind
Do you mean it points across the wind at 85 degrees to the wind on first try (which first try? my first ever attempt to waterstart?)
Do you mean 85 degrees to the downwind is wrong as all beginners keep board too much across the wind?
Or do you mean the opposite - that i should point the board almost downwind (5 degrees from downwind direction)?
>>but on second try it's more like 70 degree. very quickly you barely turn board downwind...
Do you mean that on my second day (second try?) will be pointing the board 70 degree to the wind direction (almost across the wind). That is turns it about 20 degrees from across position?
So 70 degrees is what I should really be using?
This sounds a bit too much across???
And why a big variation 70 - 5 = 65 degrees - this is almost like saying there is no optimal direction???
So what is good for a beginner - 5 degrees from downwind direction to start with?
From all videos of good riders water starting they do point the board downwind quit a bit and only gradually change direction later?
It's nice to see you are stoked and you are probably trying to visualize what you need to do until next session. You will probably laugh looking back to all those questions after a few more sessions
You should watch the kite progression video they are pretty good.
I literally meant very first attempt and second attempt
I rode like 400 feet and finished it with a front roll jump not on purpose on my second attempt trying to get up
I am also an engineer so we can talk about technical but honestly after you practice some more you will get it.
I tried wakeboarding a few times before kitesurfing so my first attempt ever as I got up I pointed the board pretty much 0 degree on your horizontal clock face
Instructor told me to point board downwind, usually people keep board at 90 degree which is bad beginner habit, people get up but they kind of slide donwwind keeping board against pull. Best advise from instructor is to try to aim board at kite, so if you want to go left you send kite left and point board toward kite...
Instructor then told me to point it more like 45 70 degree right after I get up. the thing is that when send kite to one direction it's going to start pulling when it's 40 degree on your horizontal clock face so if board is like 70 degree then it's 30 degree difference from kite pull and board edge which seems fine. As you get up the board point toward kite so maybe 45 but right after you start edging away to 70 and as you gather more speed you can go upwind but that happens in less than 1 second. maybe 3 seconds when wind is light. I guess board is probably turned straight toward kite when you are halfway up and within a fraction of second you start edging...
Your 15 seconds estimate is way too much, the truth is that you can't really go downwind that much to pick up speed, when kite is small and wind is light you need to maintain some tension in line. Try to fly the kite while running downwind, it won't fly... So you need to start edging the board pretty quickly after getting up without killing too much speed. Want enough speed so board goes on a plane and doesn't drag too much water. You want enough edge to maintain line tension and increase relative wind on kite. You want to distribute your weight distribution on feet properly so the board doesn't sink too much on back foot to optimize plane but still edge somewhat. You want to lay down in harness so your weight is on kite instead of on top of board.
You can keep kite a bit higher so 11 or 1 pm in vertical clock face so the line hold your weight up, and less weight on board.
Anyway you can think about all of those variable but you will get a feeling for it with muscle memory.
As far as your horizontal clock I wouldn't think about it, it's pretty much impossible to fly the kite specifically to a horizontal clock position... The kite wan'ts to fly to the side of the window if you don't steer kite. As long as you steer kite up and down it will fall deeper in the window.
Much better to think about vertical clock position. later on when you work on jumping and wakestyle trick how deep kite is in window is more important but you don't really need to talk about horizontal clock face, talking about how deep kite is window is enough
One thing you might not realize is that kite wants to fly to edge of window
If you stand still and point kite to one direciton it will keep flying that way until it reach edge of window. Now if you walk with kite to one direction the kite falls back deep in window and wants to reach side of window so it kind of drift trying to reach edge, as you walk to the side more upwind it goes further to the side if you walk more toward it the kite falls deeper.
so you can keep kite in one position like 11 o clock and because you are not standing still on beach but riding to the left the kite is actually a bit deep in window and isn't totally to the side and keep pulling without need to sign it in sky.
Another thing is that your speed, is actually turning relative wind direction hitting the kite so even if you keep kite is same original horizontal o clock position in the new wind window it's actually a lot deeper (closer to 0 degree). so as you pick up speed the wind direction shift. The more the speed the more the wind direction will shift. So technically if you want big upwind angle you have to ride slow.
Anyway don't worry about how far the kite is in the horizontal o clock position. If you need power sign the kite up and down or sheet bar in. if you want dump power from line turn board toward kite. if you want the kite to fly further to edge of window edge harder and push bar out. But you don't actually steer the kite deeper in window...
Furthermore there is too many variables to tell you what works, you try to dive kite slow, and edge less, if it doesn't work you dive kite harder and perhaps point board further toward kite to get on a plane before edging. You keep trying to find what works for give wind condition, water condition, kite type and kite size...