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Pellesurf
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Re: 2018 Naish kites

Postby Pellesurf » Tue Oct 10, 2017 5:39 pm

Dirk wrote:
Mon Oct 09, 2017 9:40 am
Pellesurf wrote:
Mon Oct 09, 2017 7:29 am
Does anyone know if there is a big / noticeable difference between Pivot 2015 and 2017/18. I've been riding the 2015 Pivot 7.9 and 12 for three seasons now and think it's perfect and does not understand how it can be even better. I have ordered 2018 Pivot 9, 12 for freeriding and foiling. Have also ordered a Slash 7a for strapless waveriding and is very curious if there is a big difference between Pivot 7 and Slash 7 in waveriding
I have ridden all years of the Pivot and I am on the 2018 now. Similar set up to you: 8/11 Pivot and 5/7 Slash (both 2018). For 2017 I had a 6m Pivot and 7m Slash but rode the Slash only a few times. Both kites pretty much overlapped in their windrange. I think that is one difference, that the Pivot is somewhat more powerful, as it has a more open arc. I believe that the Slash turns quicker in the same size and it feels a bit more "relaxed" so you can focus on your waveriding. Jumping the Pivot is better (I ride strapped) but Slash was not bad. I will try out the Slash this time a lot more to see if it is good with a TT on high winds as well.

I did not feel huge differences between the different years of the Pivot but I never rode them side by side, so it is hard to tell. Anyway, the 2018 is great, rode my 8m now really powered up with TT and in mid to lower winds with SB. Really versatile. You can also nicely tune it by using the 24m or the 20m bar.
It's a bit funny how different people seem to experience the features when I am reading reviews and forums. In several reviews, Slash is described as very powerful and you feels the power from the kite continuously and especially at the turns, very similar to the old Park, which I find strange, when it at the same time is described as being good for strapless riding?
It is also described as it needs more demanding activity from the rider, Pivot they think is more babysitting, more powerless and no pull in turns.
Anyway, everyone writes that it is a nice fastturning wavekite with good drift. So I'll see when I get my Slash, which unfortunately takes a few months.

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Re: 2018 Naish kites

Postby jonysan » Tue Oct 10, 2017 7:13 pm

Pellesurf wrote:
Tue Oct 10, 2017 5:39 pm
Dirk wrote:
Mon Oct 09, 2017 9:40 am
Pellesurf wrote:
Mon Oct 09, 2017 7:29 am
Does anyone know if there is a big / noticeable difference between Pivot 2015 and 2017/18. I've been riding the 2015 Pivot 7.9 and 12 for three seasons now and think it's perfect and does not understand how it can be even better. I have ordered 2018 Pivot 9, 12 for freeriding and foiling. Have also ordered a Slash 7a for strapless waveriding and is very curious if there is a big difference between Pivot 7 and Slash 7 in waveriding
I have ridden all years of the Pivot and I am on the 2018 now. Similar set up to you: 8/11 Pivot and 5/7 Slash (both 2018). For 2017 I had a 6m Pivot and 7m Slash but rode the Slash only a few times. Both kites pretty much overlapped in their windrange. I think that is one difference, that the Pivot is somewhat more powerful, as it has a more open arc. I believe that the Slash turns quicker in the same size and it feels a bit more "relaxed" so you can focus on your waveriding. Jumping the Pivot is better (I ride strapped) but Slash was not bad. I will try out the Slash this time a lot more to see if it is good with a TT on high winds as well.

I did not feel huge differences between the different years of the Pivot but I never rode them side by side, so it is hard to tell. Anyway, the 2018 is great, rode my 8m now really powered up with TT and in mid to lower winds with SB. Really versatile. You can also nicely tune it by using the 24m or the 20m bar.
It's a bit funny how different people seem to experience the features when I am reading reviews and forums. In several reviews, Slash is described as very powerful and you feels the power from the kite continuously and especially at the turns, very similar to the old Park, which I find strange, when it at the same time is described as being good for strapless riding?
It is also described as it needs more demanding activity from the rider, Pivot they think is more babysitting, more powerless and no pull in turns.
Anyway, everyone writes that it is a nice fastturning wavekite with good drift. So I'll see when I get my Slash, which unfortunately takes a few months.
Hi Pellesurf, I was wondering that the Slash being powerful in turns might actually be a good thing, especially in onshore conditions ?
I know that sometimes I could do with more pull from the kite,( so that the lines don't go too slack) when I am gybing off the face of a wave and onto the flat, at times like these, that slack feeling in the lines is scary, especially with a wave behind you. Ok, downlooping the kite, or being well powered helps, but if the Slash generates more power through turns it might be a good thing ? hope you enjoy the Slash kites, I ride Pivots, so look forward to your review.

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Re: 2018 Naish kites

Postby stefarius » Tue Oct 10, 2017 10:42 pm

Review Pivot vs Slash.
Both kite powerful, the Slash has the better drift.
With the Slash no slacked lines, no steering delay.

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Re: 2018 Naish kites

Postby clint2070 » Wed Oct 11, 2017 5:49 am

Has anyone ridden the 12m slash yet ?

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Re: 2018 Naish kites

Postby Pellesurf » Wed Oct 11, 2017 8:05 am

stefarius wrote:
Tue Oct 10, 2017 10:42 pm
Review Pivot vs Slash.
Both kite powerful, the Slash has the better drift.
With the Slash no slacked lines, no steering delay.

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Hmm, compare in different sizes....
I found a comparison between Pivot and Slash as two experienced Danish wave riders have done. One of them likes Pivot as the best, and the other rider likes Slash better. It seems that both kits are nice in waves and it is a matter of taste depending on the ridestyle, which of these kites you prefer.
http://kitesurferen.dk/component/easybl ... Itemid=703

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Re: 2018 Naish kites

Postby Pellesurf » Wed Oct 11, 2017 12:09 pm

jonysan wrote:
Tue Oct 10, 2017 7:13 pm
Pellesurf wrote:
Tue Oct 10, 2017 5:39 pm
Dirk wrote:
Mon Oct 09, 2017 9:40 am


I have ridden all years of the Pivot and I am on the 2018 now. Similar set up to you: 8/11 Pivot and 5/7 Slash (both 2018). For 2017 I had a 6m Pivot and 7m Slash but rode the Slash only a few times. Both kites pretty much overlapped in their windrange. I think that is one difference, that the Pivot is somewhat more powerful, as it has a more open arc. I believe that the Slash turns quicker in the same size and it feels a bit more "relaxed" so you can focus on your waveriding. Jumping the Pivot is better (I ride strapped) but Slash was not bad. I will try out the Slash this time a lot more to see if it is good with a TT on high winds as well.

I did not feel huge differences between the different years of the Pivot but I never rode them side by side, so it is hard to tell. Anyway, the 2018 is great, rode my 8m now really powered up with TT and in mid to lower winds with SB. Really versatile. You can also nicely tune it by using the 24m or the 20m bar.
It's a bit funny how different people seem to experience the features when I am reading reviews and forums. In several reviews, Slash is described as very powerful and you feels the power from the kite continuously and especially at the turns, very similar to the old Park, which I find strange, when it at the same time is described as being good for strapless riding?
It is also described as it needs more demanding activity from the rider, Pivot they think is more babysitting, more powerless and no pull in turns.
Anyway, everyone writes that it is a nice fastturning wavekite with good drift. So I'll see when I get my Slash, which unfortunately takes a few months.
Hi Pellesurf, I was wondering that the Slash being powerful in turns might actually be a good thing, especially in onshore conditions ?
I know that sometimes I could do with more pull from the kite,( so that the lines don't go too slack) when I am gybing off the face of a wave and onto the flat, at times like these, that slack feeling in the lines is scary, especially with a wave behind you. Ok, downlooping the kite, or being well powered helps, but if the Slash generates more power through turns it might be a good thing ? hope you enjoy the Slash kites, I ride Pivots, so look forward to your review.

jonysan : I do not have the greatest experience of wave riding and have almost only experience from my Pivots. I have reacted and thought about the same as you describe, that it is scary when riding with / in front of the wave with a feeling of slack lines and a reduced response. Hopefully, Slash will handle this better as it seems to have a little better drift and is a bit deeper in the window.
Too much power in the turns can be a problem with strapless, but otherwise it may be fun if you master it and the power is delivered smoothly. I do not really think that the power in the turns affects the feeling of slack lines when riding the wave, its more about the drift and position in the window thats matter.

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Re: 2018 Naish kites

Postby Pellesurf » Fri Oct 13, 2017 10:14 am

By the way, a totally different kind of question :) . High jumps ? It is nice lift in the Pivot and sometimes I ride with Woo on my twintip. My highest jump is 9.2 meters, but it feels difficult to get over 10 meters.
It also requires a good technique and guts to jump really high. How high do you jump with the Pivot, anyone over 10 meters?

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Re: 2018 Naish kites

Postby tautologies » Fri Oct 13, 2017 8:30 pm

Pellesurf wrote:
Fri Oct 13, 2017 10:14 am
By the way, a totally different kind of question :) . High jumps ? It is nice lift in the Pivot and sometimes I ride with Woo on my twintip. My highest jump is 9.2 meters, but it feels difficult to get over 10 meters.
It also requires a good technique and guts to jump really high. How high do you jump with the Pivot, anyone over 10 meters?
In my head I've been way over 10. However I do not measure...so I have no idea..but maybe not.

For me to go high on the pivot I have to go loaded up. Ride as fast as I can crank the bar then sheet in pretty immediately. If I find a kicker that usually ends up on bonus height. Key is really to have good board speed while under control.

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Re: 2018 Naish kites

Postby riddim1 » Sun Oct 15, 2017 9:42 am

Hello All, I'm finding this thread very interesting. I too had the conundrum of choosing between the 2018 Pivots or Slash. I've ridden Pivots for 3-4 seasons now. I went with the Pivots initially as they had light and consistent power delivery in the turns and turned on its wing-tip comparatively quickly. This tended to suit my local conditions. I kite a SB in wind generated swell (very short wave length etc). I read a lot of varying performance reviews about the slash/pivots which only adds to confusion. I'm reading the new pivot doesn't drift very well, and yet that was how Naish trumpeted the Pivot back when it launched in 2014. Perhaps it's just that the slash does it marginally better? For wind swell I don't think drift will help me anymore than the pivot already does. I've also read the Slash has less power per comparative size and is more sensitive to wind speed variations ie. smaller envelope. I should have tested the Slash in hindsight but I did settle on a 2018 7m Pivot. I'm a creature of habit I guess. It does me on a 5.1 Vader from 17 thru 28-ish knots. The wind range is too good to look past. I'm very comfortable with a one kite quiver at the moment but will probably get a bigger size in the next year.

If I was a betting man, I'd put money on Naish reducing or nullifying altogether the wave capability of the Pivot in the next two seasons, making it more Freeride/hangtime. Conversely, I suspect the Slash will become more of an all-rounder.

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Re: 2018 Naish kites

Postby tautologies » Mon Oct 16, 2017 12:20 am

riddim1 wrote:
Sun Oct 15, 2017 9:42 am
Hello All, I'm finding this thread very interesting. I too had the conundrum of choosing between the 2018 Pivots or Slash. I've ridden Pivots for 3-4 seasons now. I went with the Pivots initially as they had light and consistent power delivery in the turns and turned on its wing-tip comparatively quickly. This tended to suit my local conditions. I kite a SB in wind generated swell (very short wave length etc). I read a lot of varying performance reviews about the slash/pivots which only adds to confusion. I'm reading the new pivot doesn't drift very well, and yet that was how Naish trumpeted the Pivot back when it launched in 2014. Perhaps it's just that the slash does it marginally better? For wind swell I don't think drift will help me anymore than the pivot already does. I've also read the Slash has less power per comparative size and is more sensitive to wind speed variations ie. smaller envelope. I should have tested the Slash in hindsight but I did settle on a 2018 7m Pivot. I'm a creature of habit I guess. It does me on a 5.1 Vader from 17 thru 28-ish knots. The wind range is too good to look past. I'm very comfortable with a one kite quiver at the moment but will probably get a bigger size in the next year.

If I was a betting man, I'd put money on Naish reducing or nullifying altogether the wave capability of the Pivot in the next two seasons, making it more Freeride/hangtime. Conversely, I suspect the Slash will become more of an all-rounder.
I agree its a bit confusing. I lot is because the kites are pretty new still and people have not had a chance to ride them over time and people comes into the riding with different backgrounds. I think that part will settle down a bit.
I can certainly dispel a rumour that the pivot doesn't drift. I will assume the Slash is better at it, but I have ridden the 11 Pivot in on shore conditions...wind swell with short distance between the waves and the 11 handles well. Both drifts well and turns well. I have a 7 Slash, but have not had a chance to take it out yet. I go under the assumption it is a bit more powerful for the size..but at 7 the quality I am looking for is stable in gusty conditions...I know the pivot excels there, but I am hoping the slash will be the leave and forget kind of kite up there in windy and gusty conditions...

Any thoughts?


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