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tomi3000
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Freeride, strapless foil advice

Postby tomi3000 » Thu Aug 10, 2017 1:01 pm

I am facing a dilemma of which foil to get to progress in my riding. I learned on a low aspect foil and now want something faster and more fun. I like free riding in general and want to be riding strapless all the time. I have no interest in racing, jumping or freestyle tricks. My style is cruising in 1m high irregular waves but I would like to add more S turns and speed. My home spot does not have any clean waves or nice swell and the winds are between 10-20 knots 90% of the time on windy days.

I narrowed my options to the following foils:

1. Shinn F foil - I have been always very satisfied with the quality of their products and level of support they provide. All my Shinn boards I have had I have been always very happy with and have a great trust in Mark's ability to deliver fantastic products.

2. Zeeko White Green - New iteration of well known and tested white and blue model. Seems like a very good choice for an intermediate foiler and you can't go wrong with it.

3. Zeeko Spitfire - Now, I am really tempted by this canard design foil as it looks like with the XLW wings it might be what I am looking for.

For boards, I like the Shinn Jackson or Slingshot Dwarfcraft but this topic is mainly about foils for strapless freeriding.

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Re: Freeride, strapless foil advice

Postby tswierkocki » Thu Aug 10, 2017 1:41 pm

I have been riding the Zeeko White and Black + Carver wing for the last year. I'm extremely happy with this foil. I'm 100% strapless and mainly just want to carve nice turns. I go back a forth between the Black and Carver wings but slowly settling on the Black wing for flat water days and the Carver for wave or underpowered days.

For strapless riding I'm really enjoying the Nobile Skim Foil board. Nice and compact but not too small. Nice width under the front foot and concave deck which I like. The only negative is that the board is a bit on the heavy side.

Looking for more surf style carving off the back foot I just bought the Spitfire with both wing sets. I'm hoping to get my first session on the Spitfire with XLW wings today.

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Re: Freeride, strapless foil advice

Postby slowboat » Thu Aug 10, 2017 2:02 pm

tomi3000 wrote:
Thu Aug 10, 2017 1:01 pm
I am facing a dilemma of which foil to get to progress in my riding. I learned on a low aspect foil and now want something faster and more fun. I like free riding in general and want to be riding strapless all the time. I have no interest in racing, jumping or freestyle tricks. My style is cruising in 1m high irregular waves but I would like to add more S turns and speed. My home spot does not have any clean waves or nice swell and the winds are between 10-20 knots 90% of the time on windy days.

I narrowed my options to the following foils:

1. Shinn F foil - I have been always very satisfied with the quality of their products and level of support they provide. All my Shinn boards I have had I have been always very happy with and have a great trust in Mark's ability to deliver fantastic products.

2. Zeeko White Green - New iteration of well known and tested white and blue model. Seems like a very good choice for an intermediate foiler and you can't go wrong with it.

3. Zeeko Spitfire - Now, I am really tempted by this canard design foil as it looks like with the XLW wings it might be what I am looking for.

For boards, I like the Shinn Jackson or Slingshot Dwarfcraft but this topic is mainly about foils for strapless freeriding.
Your question is one which I am sure many of us learning to foil have and I will be very interested in the responses you get.

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Re: Freeride, strapless foil advice

Postby TomW » Thu Aug 10, 2017 4:45 pm

Take a look at the Moses line up. I have a Fluente, with 548 /550 front and 330/ 325 rears. Using 548/325 now,. Learned on this set up and in learning transitions phase.
You could keep your low aspect foil and get a vorace sport, or you can get the 550 and 325 wings and see if you want to go faster.

My set up does 30Km/hr without pushing it. I was doing 32km hr relaxed in 10-12 knots yesterday on my Mono 12 kite. I'm not seeing me going beyond the 550 wing, even next year.

It's pretty light carbon, nicely made. Not that expensive compared to other carbon foils.

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Re: Freeride, strapless foil advice

Postby Peter_Frank » Thu Aug 10, 2017 6:02 pm

tomi3000 wrote:
Thu Aug 10, 2017 1:01 pm
I am facing a dilemma of which foil to get to progress in my riding. I learned on a low aspect foil and now want something faster and more fun. I like free riding in general and want to be riding strapless all the time. I have no interest in racing, jumping or freestyle tricks. My style is cruising in 1m high irregular waves but I would like to add more S turns and speed. My home spot does not have any clean waves or nice swell and the winds are between 10-20 knots 90% of the time on windy days.

I narrowed my options to the following foils:

1. Shinn F foil - I have been always very satisfied with the quality of their products and level of support they provide. All my Shinn boards I have had I have been always very happy with and have a great trust in Mark's ability to deliver fantastic products.

2. Zeeko White Green - New iteration of well known and tested white and blue model. Seems like a very good choice for an intermediate foiler and you can't go wrong with it.

3. Zeeko Spitfire - Now, I am really tempted by this canard design foil as it looks like with the XLW wings it might be what I am looking for.

For boards, I like the Shinn Jackson or Slingshot Dwarfcraft but this topic is mainly about foils for strapless freeriding.

You cant go wrong with any of these 3 I think, and I would choose the one which offer the largest collection of different wings (which would be #2 right ? Or do 1 and 2 have interchangeable wings ?), as when you progress you might want to have different wings for different conditions, or you might change your liking when you ride more :naughty:

Only issue is the masts are only 90 cm as far as I know, which can be tricky strapless in that much wind and huge chop you got ?

8) PF

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Re: Freeride, strapless foil advice

Postby juandesooka » Thu Aug 10, 2017 6:12 pm

I have heard nothing but good things about the zeeko's. I almost bought a Black/White, but then a Stringy (Jim Stringfellow) from Oregon came up ... and I figured if I want to ride like Greg D/BRM Cloud guy, having the same wings at least gives me a step in the right direction. I am very happy with them, though I don't have a lot to compare against.

I haven't ridden a spitfire, but made a copy of the wings, scaled up a bit to try and get better lower end. I found the rear foot pressure had pros and cons. Turns really fast! Weird to have the emphasis on back foot rather than front. But I didn't like how it required going faster to stay up on foil, was twitchy, with tendency to drop at lower speeds. It's possibly mine isn't balanced right, but it is more or less similar to reports I've read online. Today there was a post in spitfire thread about how great the new larger XLW wings went ... so it may well be that these have answered the issues. Anyways, would be ideal if you can find one to borrow or demo first, to see if you like how it rides, as it isn't just a slight modification, it's a major difference. But on the other hand, will be easy to re-sell if you don't like it, they are in hot demand.


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