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grigorib
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Local Beach: Clinton Lake, IL; Lake Michigan; Tawas, MI; OBX; SPI
Gear: Kites: Slingshot Rally 5/7/9/11m, Slingshot Turbine 9m, Flysurfer Speed4 10m, Peter Lynn Venom II ARC 16m
Boards: Spleene RIP 37, Flysurfer Flydoor5 XL, Moses 71cm/42” masts 590/633 wings, Slingshot Dwarfcraft 42", MBS Comp 95x

For sale: MHL Lift 2013, Slingshot Coupe 6'
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Re: Moses 2018

Postby grigorib » Thu Nov 08, 2018 4:13 pm

WH Lithuania wrote:
Thu Nov 08, 2018 3:57 pm
... Moses foils with Slingshot logos are last year Moses models and priced more than this year Moses models so I would never buy Slingshot. But a lot of people don't know it and just buys the brand.
I agree on October 2017 Slingshot line - whoever advocated “fast, high jumping wings” (by snapping 2016/2017 Moses racewings stock right before Moses announced 649 fuselage, 637/590/633/683S wings etc) didn’t do company a good service. At least I personally had a facepalm moment last October seeing the new line as I was buying 548 and was craving for more lift, more lowend wings.
But also bunch of foilers on the forum back then were giving me “oh, large wings are for beginners, you just need to learn to ride” speech and today large wings are have taken over foiling market, driving the sales and freeride foilers love them.

And what if someone told you that some of the best Moses wings are Slingshot design. 590/633 are the miracles to thank for all the designers/gods and they’re still current, even though Slingshot had 7 month delay on them.
Slingshot 590/633 are prettier, show more carbon and don’t look like a piece of plastic (an opportunity to improve for Moses) so there's reason to prefer home brand.

Slingshot missed an opportunity to come ahead of Moses as they could have been the company releasing 873 (as they did release 86/84 HG wings) and 81cm mast and 32”/36/42” pocket boards like KS does (who in the world wants carbon hypermiller which is neither light, nor is a race foilboard).
And Slingshot should have been the first making “larger/thicker than 590” wing for 647/680 fuselage to revert the trend (GW riders snapping 590’s all 2018 spring/summer long).

Should have, could have, would have is not a winner talk but guys are not blind, they know prices and offering of Moses - competition does miracles to consumers and there's a lot to expect in 2019.

WH Lithuania
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Joined: Sat Aug 24, 2013 5:45 pm
Kiting since: 2007
Local Beach: Melnragė, Elektrėnai, Vievis
Favorite Beaches: Melnragė
Style: wave, hydrofoil
Gear: Ozone hyperlink 12m. Ozone Chrono V3 UL 13m. 5,5m and 8m BWS Aeneema. Tons of GoFoil, Moses, Takuma foils. BWS Mulcoy Pro 6'0.

Re: Moses 2018

Postby WH Lithuania » Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:00 pm

grigorib wrote:
Thu Nov 08, 2018 4:13 pm
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I agree on October 2017 Slingshot line - whoever advocated “fast, high jumping wings” (by snapping 2016/2017 Moses racewings stock right before Moses announced 649 fuselage, 637/590/633/683S wings etc) didn’t do company a good service. At least I personally had a facepalm moment last October seeing the new line as I was buying 548 and was craving for more lift, more lowend wings.
But also bunch of foilers on the forum back then were giving me “oh, large wings are for beginners, you just need to learn to ride” speech and today large wings are have taken over foiling market, driving the sales and freeride foilers love them.

And what if someone told you that some of the best Moses wings are Slingshot design. 590/633 are the miracles to thank for all the designers/gods and they’re still current, even though Slingshot had 7 month delay on them.
Slingshot 590/633 are prettier, show more carbon and don’t look like a piece of plastic (an opportunity to improve for Moses) so there's reason to prefer home brand.

Slingshot missed an opportunity to come ahead of Moses as they could have been the company releasing 873 (as they did release 86/84 HG wings) and 81cm mast and 32”/36/42” pocket boards like KS does (who in the world wants carbon hypermiller which is neither light, nor is a race foilboard).
And Slingshot should have been the first making “larger/thicker than 590” wing for 647/680 fuselage to revert the trend (GW riders snapping 590’s all 2018 spring/summer long).

Should have, could have, would have is not a winner talk but guys are not blind, they know prices and offering of Moses - competition does miracles to consumers and there's a lot to expect in 2019.
I prefer Moses painting much more because it's repair friendly. Easy to make an ideal repair finish with paint. Try to do that with carbon texture.

Visual looks depend on taste and I personally love the bold MOSES logo on the mast. But for sure somebody prefers not so bold look of other brands.

Another important thing that with Moses you have the full range and service if you need to replace some component or upgrade. That's very different to the lack of flexibility when riding a brand that just resells some of the range. Sure, one can always make frankensteins by mixing multiple brands, but it's not something the majority wants.

Wing design is one thing a lot of people are involved, but the entire delivery chain of top foils is another thing. That's what Moses owns and they are doing really good. That's why other brands desire to put their logos on Moses foils. Even if they are late a year :)

Pricing will be interesting to watch. Moses is no discount brand and a lot of people like it as it means the investment in new gear do not depreciate at the end of the season. Slingshot is a well know brand that dumps hard at the end of season and sells way lower than RRP during the season. It will be interesting to see how it evolves.

grigorib
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Posts: 990
Joined: Mon Aug 01, 2016 8:12 pm
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Local Beach: Clinton Lake, IL; Lake Michigan; Tawas, MI; OBX; SPI
Gear: Kites: Slingshot Rally 5/7/9/11m, Slingshot Turbine 9m, Flysurfer Speed4 10m, Peter Lynn Venom II ARC 16m
Boards: Spleene RIP 37, Flysurfer Flydoor5 XL, Moses 71cm/42” masts 590/633 wings, Slingshot Dwarfcraft 42", MBS Comp 95x

For sale: MHL Lift 2013, Slingshot Coupe 6'
Brand Affiliation: None

Re: Moses 2018

Postby grigorib » Fri Nov 09, 2018 1:18 am

Happy page “69” to all, BTW

TomW
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Local Beach: Vejbystrand, Habo Ljung, Lomma
Gear: TW Surfboards 5-0
TW Surfboards hydrofoil board 120 and 135
Moses Fluente 550/590 + 330/325 and 633 set
North Mono 7, 9, 12
Ozone Reo 5
Ozone Hyperlink 9mUL, 7m
Flysurfer Sonic 2 13m
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Location: Sweden

Re: Moses 2018

Postby TomW » Fri Nov 09, 2018 7:17 pm

I just spent 2 weeks foiling in Brazil at Parajuru on the 633. It was fantastic riding waves and swell downwind. Learned gybes and flying footswitch in both directions with aggressive carves.

I could pop up in chest high water and fly out along the river channel and over 50cm sand reefs to open water then upwind 6 km to next village, riding waves in hidden smooth pools at river mouth along the way, then back downwind riding swells the whole way..
I called it wave hunting. There were 2 other learning foilers there but I had to go alone.

Moses 633 is magic.


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