Contact   Imprint   Advertising   Guidelines

What is considered to be a big or small Board size for hydrofoiling

A forum dedicated to Hydrofoil riders


early bird2
Medium Poster
Posts: 193
Joined: Sun Dec 28, 2014 2:17 am
Kiting since: 2002
Local Beach: Lake Champlain
Favorite Beaches: Magdalen Island , Baja
Style: freeride
Gear: Ozone , North
Brand Affiliation: None

What is considered to be a big or small Board size for hydrofoiling

Postby early bird2 » Thu Jul 19, 2018 12:25 pm

Hi ! I begun hydrofoiling lately and I always wondered how it would be to have a bigger board for light wind , I'm 220 pounds all wet and I currently use an Axis Ride 145/48 with 2013 Lift foil . So my question is : What is considered to be a small or big board for Hydrofoiling . Is a 148 considered big ? Would a very floaty board be of big help in light air or lulls ? thinking 8 to 15 knots . I'm always onshore winds here , shallow water , so to get out is quite a good and tiring bodydrag .
Last edited by early bird2 on Thu Jul 19, 2018 5:34 pm, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
Kamikuza
Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 5862
Joined: Fri Jan 09, 2009 4:49 am
Local Beach: Sabae Beach
Favorite Beaches: Ol' Stinky
Gear: This, that, the other

Re: What is considered to be a big or small Board size for hydrofoiling

Postby Kamikuza » Thu Jul 19, 2018 1:51 pm

There were Lift foils in 2013? Wow!

What kites are you using?

The Ride is 145x48 but I'm guessing a 2013 foil will be Tuttle box so it must be the race board, Maroro, which is 148x48 :D

I had the Alien Air thinking I'd need a bigger board but IMO the reality is, if the wind is that light you're just going to sink it anyway, unless you're an "average kiter" of 75kg. If there's enough size and volume to float you when there's no power in the kite, it's going to be a pig to ride. Any advantage of a bigger board is far outweighed by how much more of a PITA it is to ride, if you like carving around. IMO.

Again IMO, the Ride is right up there at the upper limit for me; a little shorter, a little more narrow, would be better for how I ride. A bigger board doesn't help because I'm relying on a big wing to get foiling and riding, not board...

In other words, for me, even the Alien Air didn't extend my low-end ease of riding to any noticeable amount.

Mossy 757
Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 1534
Joined: Fri Sep 11, 2015 5:10 pm
Kiting since: 2013
Local Beach: First Landing State Park, Virginia Beach Oceanfront
Style: Kitefoil
Gear: Delta Hydrofoil and board. Cabrinha Velocity 9m, Flysurfer Sonic2 11m, Elf Joker-7 15m

Re: What is considered to be a big or small Board size for hydrofoiling

Postby Mossy 757 » Thu Jul 19, 2018 3:43 pm

There's no denying the hydrodynamics of a bigger board giving you a wider margin of error, but once you're out of the beginner phase, the value of that equipment basically disappears because you figure out how to be more efficient and effective with your movements.

For that reason, I don't think owning multiple foil boards for various conditions makes a lot of sense unless you're really trying to do something specific and special that isn't otherwise possible with mainstream gear.

User avatar
SaulOhio
Frequent Poster
Posts: 360
Joined: Sun Dec 19, 2010 1:26 pm
Kiting since: 1999
Local Beach: Mentor Headlands
Edgewater
Conneaut harbor
Fairport Harbor
Simms Park
Favorite Beaches: Kite Point in the Outer Banks
Gear: Liquid Force Havoc, 12m and 16M
Slingshot Turbo Diesel 8M
Rossignol Escort skis
Brand Affiliation: None

Re: What is considered to be a big or small Board size for hydrofoiling

Postby SaulOhio » Thu Jul 19, 2018 4:00 pm

People have noted that my Waltzing Bear is very big for a kitefoil board, but I found it very helpful to have something that big and floaty. It was easy to handle on the water before waterstarting. Unlike the Cabrina I borrowed a couple of times, which was as thin as most twintip boards, it was really easy to turn it around to a starting position, get it on its side, and my feet in the footstraps. It was also easy to ride during the taxi and touch and go stages, and very forgiving in the crashes.



But now I want a smaller board. I have seen them as small as barely there at all. I did see one video, which I can't find now, of someone riding a "board" that was basically a stick with bindings at each end.

early bird2
Medium Poster
Posts: 193
Joined: Sun Dec 28, 2014 2:17 am
Kiting since: 2002
Local Beach: Lake Champlain
Favorite Beaches: Magdalen Island , Baja
Style: freeride
Gear: Ozone , North
Brand Affiliation: None

Re: What is considered to be a big or small Board size for hydrofoiling

Postby early bird2 » Thu Jul 19, 2018 5:45 pm

Kamikuza , my mistake , this is an Axis Ride 145/48 .Lift is not a tuttle . I have no clue what is the wing size and don't know how to measure it . I don't feel this board is small , I only wanted to know what would do a bigger board in light air and what people are using for their weight .
My kites : Edge V9 , 7 , 10 , 13 . North Neo 12 and HL 12 UL . I'm currently waiting for a North Juice 15 which should help 8 to 15 knots instead of the Neo 12 . I also have an R1V2 19 but can't use it for the moment , no beach yet .
What is your weight ?

early bird2
Medium Poster
Posts: 193
Joined: Sun Dec 28, 2014 2:17 am
Kiting since: 2002
Local Beach: Lake Champlain
Favorite Beaches: Magdalen Island , Baja
Style: freeride
Gear: Ozone , North
Brand Affiliation: None

Re: What is considered to be a big or small Board size for hydrofoiling

Postby early bird2 » Fri Jul 20, 2018 12:50 am

Mossy , thanks for the reply .
Saulohio , what brand and size of board are you talking about ?

User avatar
Kamikuza
Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 5862
Joined: Fri Jan 09, 2009 4:49 am
Local Beach: Sabae Beach
Favorite Beaches: Ol' Stinky
Gear: This, that, the other

Re: What is considered to be a big or small Board size for hydrofoiling

Postby Kamikuza » Fri Jul 20, 2018 2:13 am

early bird2 wrote:
Thu Jul 19, 2018 5:45 pm
Kamikuza , my mistake , this is an Axis Ride 145/48 .Lift is not a tuttle . I have no clue what is the wing size and don't know how to measure it . I don't feel this board is small , I only wanted to know what would do a bigger board in light air and what people are using for their weight .
My kites : Edge V9 , 7 , 10 , 13 . North Neo 12 and HL 12 UL . I'm currently waiting for a North Juice 15 which should help 8 to 15 knots instead of the Neo 12 . I also have an R1V2 19 but can't use it for the moment , no beach yet .
What is your weight ?
I weigh more than you do, easily. The Ride 45 actually feels a little big to me; little shorter, say 120, and a little narrower, say 40 with straight rails, might be perfect...

The Lift we have at the clubhouse looks similar sized to my old LF wing, so about 700cm2 IIRC. I don't know what the HoverGlide wing was...but I do remember getting up on the board and it still sinking a little, but still being unable to get enough power from the kite to foil.

I find the same now, although the board sinks more, which is kinda beneficial in keeping tension in the lines, but otherwise no help to riding.

Switching feet on the water transitions are easier with the bigger board. That's really the only positive thing I remember, but not enough to outweigh the negatives overall.

Have also moved away from big slow kites -- 10m Switchblade is my "light wind" foiling kite. If it'll stay in the air, I can probably foil and going for a bigger kite would be rideable but not much fun and when I drop it, it'll suck a lot more than not riding :D

grigorib
Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 980
Joined: Mon Aug 01, 2016 8:12 pm
Kiting since: 2009
Local Beach: Clinton Lake, IL; Lake Michigan; Tawas, MI; OBX; SPI
Gear: Kites: Slingshot Rally 5/7/9/11m, Slingshot Turbine 9m, Flysurfer Speed4 10m, Peter Lynn Venom II ARC 16m
Boards: Spleene RIP 37, Flysurfer Flydoor5 XL, Moses 71cm/42” masts 590/633 wings, Slingshot Dwarfcraft 42", MBS Comp 95x

For sale: MHL Lift 2013, Slingshot Coupe 6'
Brand Affiliation: None

Re: What is considered to be a big or small Board size for hydrofoiling

Postby grigorib » Fri Jul 20, 2018 2:18 am

I’ve been riding MHL Lift 2013 till last year with original MHL board, then switched to 54” Dwarfcraft and didn’t miss anything and then moved to 42” Dwarfcraft.
The 2013 Lift has about 130 sq.in area so it takes off early and you don’t need to build speed to go. And that’s when a tiny board works great.
I assume you don’t touch water with it in turns or at least there no reason to. That foil has great lowend so again a point towards a small board.

Guys who race on tiny blade wings and ride in 6 knots prefer larger boards because they need more speed before wing starts flying.

I love my 42” board and planning to go smaller. 36”x16”x1” is what I want
Attachments
42E13F77-3A78-4BAB-BB0F-1994B1D34C12.jpeg

pitbulldoug
Medium Poster
Posts: 135
Joined: Thu Sep 28, 2006 4:41 am
Kiting since: 2004
Local Beach: Fortaleza,Cumbuco,Uruau,CE Brasil Ventura Co.California
Style: Wave and foil
Gear: Naish,Cloud,ASD surfboards Fortaleza CE Brasil,foil MHl,Alpine,cloud 9 surf foils
Brand Affiliation: None

Re: What is considered to be a big or small Board size for hydrofoiling

Postby pitbulldoug » Fri Jul 20, 2018 4:18 am

early bird2 wrote:
Thu Jul 19, 2018 12:25 pm
Hi ! I begun hydrofoiling lately and I always wondered how it would be to have a bigger board for light wind , I'm 220 pounds all wet and I currently use an Axis Ride 145/48 with 2013 Lift foil . So my question is : What is considered to be a small or big board for Hydrofoiling . Is a 148 considered big ? Would a very floaty board be of big help in light air or lulls ? thinking 8 to 15 knots . I'm always onshore winds here , shallow water , so to get out is quite a good and tiring bodydrag .
Board size for foiling is completely a individual each his own thing once again some prefer very small boards some prefer larger.What you want to do and your weight are certainly players in decision.Personally being a big rider and longtime surfer I prefer a surfboard surf style foilboard as my board are dual purpose as I foil on them and if I want to and waves are pumping I just slap my future fins in the boxes in and Im regular surfkiting,I run a 5'11' round pin with dual chinook boxes and future thruster configued boxes in my boards.I really like my set up for myself for foilfreeriding in waves and general cruising with mhl170 wing can't beat it for a larger rider.Your going to get all sorts of opinions on board sizes,rightfully so,but being a big rider like yourself i would definitely have a bit bigger board as I ride mine in 10mph to 35plus no problem,ultimately its whatever works for you,thats whats amazing about kite and kite foiling in general is the huge options on riding vehicles and kite gear combos just plethora of options out there.
DSC_2815.JPG
IMG_3959.JPG

early bird2
Medium Poster
Posts: 193
Joined: Sun Dec 28, 2014 2:17 am
Kiting since: 2002
Local Beach: Lake Champlain
Favorite Beaches: Magdalen Island , Baja
Style: freeride
Gear: Ozone , North
Brand Affiliation: None

Re: What is considered to be a big or small Board size for hydrofoiling

Postby early bird2 » Fri Jul 20, 2018 11:41 am

Pitbulldoug , thanks a lot for your tips , it is always good to hear from a person of my weight . 5.11 is quite a good size , I guess I'll have to find a way to rent one or to modify one of my boards (I don't feel like to hurt my boards ...) to be able to compare for myself . Onshore winds is a different game compare to side shore ones . This is where it could be improved by a bigger board as your experience prove it .
I made the mistake to get rid of my Zephyr and rely on 12 meters when I decided to get into hydrofoiling , often not realizing that most of people talking about their kites sizes are way lighter than me and with lots of experience .


Return to “Hydrofoil”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 6 guests