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olebarry
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Pansh Aurora II vs A15me

Postby olebarry » Fri Aug 10, 2018 9:16 am

Hello Everyone,

Been away from kiteforum for a few years as I progressed from a beginner to an intermediate. I was given great advice on gear the last time around.

Recently started hydrofoiling and after 5 sessions I feel i have progressed to a decent level (Riding on the foil in ocean swell confidently, light wind launches not a problem, currently learning to air gybe but its a slow process and can touch down gybe at some level of consistency).

Now I feel my choice of kites is (11m shiva 3d and a 7m gastra spark) starting to become an issue. It is a large power gap to bridge on a foil and I often find the 7m is very heavy and does not lend itself well to foiling with frequent hidenburgs as I foil downwind towards it especially in 15-18 knots conditions.

Flysurfer foil kites are very popular at my local beach in particular with people riding hydrofoils but are currently out of my price range. I was thinking of a PANSH to try out foil kites and get a feel for them, the pricing is very attractive.

In particular if anyone has any comparisons between the Aurora II 8m and the A15me 9m. Which is the more modern kite and would be more suitable for foiling? Is the ultralight material needed at that size?

Also both appear to be 5 line kites but the 5th is not under tension? In that case can I just use a 4 line bar which flags to a single line?

Thank you for any advice! :D

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Re: Pansh Aurora II vs A15me

Postby foilholio » Fri Aug 10, 2018 1:52 pm

Hindenburg in 15-18knot that's a joke right :-)

I think A15 will be better in that size because AR is lower and is more stable. Ultralight will always fly better, you will start to see benefit at 15knots but it is not really necessary till 10-12knots. Also consider a 9m will most likely replace your 11m. Maybe just save the money on ultralight, so if you are not happy with foils less loss, plus regular fabric will be more durable.

I personally think the A15 is more advanced, but you will get more performance from the Aurora 2. Also consider my mod for the A15 increases performance and changes it a lot.

The fifth line is slack and just for safety. It is not compulsory and will detracted from performance because of drag. Yes single line flag is fine.

olebarry
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Posts: 13
Joined: Sun Nov 15, 2015 8:05 pm
Kiting since: 2014
Local Beach: Garylucas, Ireland
Favorite Beaches: n/a only kite in the locality at the moment.
Style: Onshore dumpy beach breaks, small airs
Gear: Flexifoil Shiva 3D 2015 11m
Gastra Spark 2013 7m
Best Guroo 2008 6M
Flysurfer Radical 5 138 * 42
Alpine Foil VR5 with XLP wing
NSP 6'0 fish surfboard
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Re: Pansh Aurora II vs A15me

Postby olebarry » Fri Aug 10, 2018 5:36 pm

foilholio wrote: Hindenburg in 15-18knot that's a joke right :-)

I think A15 will be better in that size because AR is lower and is more stable. Ultralight will always fly better, you will start to see benefit at 15knots but it is not really necessary till 10-12knots. Also consider a 9m will most likely replace your 11m. Maybe just save the money on ultralight, so if you are not happy with foils less loss, plus regular fabric will be more durable.

I personally think the A15 is more advanced, but you will get more performance from the Aurora 2. Also consider my mod for the A15 increases performance and changes it a lot.

The fifth line is slack and just for safety. It is not compulsory and will detracted from performance because of drag. Yes single line flag is fine.
Unfortunately it isn't :( it hates any line slack at all and if there is a large amount of slack the wind get on top of the canopy and she goes down like a stone! 11m just floats in comparison.

Interesting on your comparisons, I think as you say I will stay away from ultralight until I decide if I like foils and keep the cost low.

In relation to the bridle mods for the A15 I would say I would not be at all confident when it comes to modding bridles all I have ever done in the past in change pigtail positions on the LEIS to give more power. Out of the box is the Aurora 2 better set up with no tweaking needed?

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Re: Pansh Aurora II vs A15me

Postby foilholio » Sat Aug 11, 2018 12:16 am

A15 needs no tweaking out of the box. Mine has received tweaking because I do that with any kite, even LEIs.

You may prefer the Aurora 2 more out of the box, hard to say as everyone's style is different. Just saying with the mod there is more potential to be had or a change if you want with the A15. Aurora 2 is going to have much shorter bar throw than an unmodded A15.

All foils need tweaking eventually. Their bridles change significantly in the first few months. It's why flysurfer has adjustments. At the basic level it is not much different than moving pigtail knots. You are just changing the length of something. It is just with foils there is a lot of strings you can change the length of and you often need to add your own pigtails or knots. There is only really one thing you should play with at first the Z main. It's simple to understand once you have played with it's length a little.


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