You obviously live in the perfect place to kite What you are saying isn't a good interpretation of what has been said - you are responsible for the security of your own kite, even at your spot where catchers will sandbag your kite you are still responsible for having a look to check that it has been sandbagged!!!!!!Metaphor_ wrote:At the Squamish Spit, pretty much everyone who catches the kite flips it over and sandbags. And all the riders wrap their lines before tending to the kite. I'm glad I saw this thread as I'm now aware you shouldn't expect the catcher to properly sandbag your kite elsewhere.
There is ALWAYS something wrong with practices that needlessly increase danger. In this case, very substantially and only due to LAZINESS AND/OR INCOMPETENCE.tautologies wrote:JGTR wrote:Nothing wrong with this, I do the same but we launch and land with out kites in the air, things do go wrong but you should understand how to do things safely, aslong as the kiter with the kite up stays upwind of the kite being landed and the other rider is attached to his safety then if anything goes wrong the kite just goes onto safety no harm doneLaughingman wrote:Shame on us, but my wife and I do this all the time. She launches my kite, I then walk out into the water and set my kite on the water away from shore, it sits at the edge of the window 90% depowererd. She walks out and hands me her kite, unwinds her lines towards shore and I launch her.
We do the reverse when we are coming back in. I would not suggest doing this on land especially considering you could instead do a tethered launch.
Most importantly you must be aware of your surroundings and the wind weather conditions. I keep one hand on her kite and the other on my release, but never had to use it...yet
I agree.,..the problem lies when someone who has less kitecontrol does it...but yeah there is no real issue with this if both parties are good kitefliers and no people are close by..
I dont agree, but basically it is the principle I disagree with.RichardM wrote:snip...
There is ALWAYS something wrong with practices that needlessly increase danger. In this case, very substantially and only due to LAZINESS AND/OR INCOMPETENCE.
At the very least, it sets a BAD EXAMPLE which other LAZY and perhaps EVEN MORE INCOMPETENT kiters are liable to attempt.
Richard M.
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I am not lazy or incompetent. Self launching does not SUBSTANTIALLY increase the danger, its a common practice that most people do. If you don't want to do it then fine but its a very poor attitude from someone who owns a kiteschool as no doubt most of your students will self launch at sometime and by refusing to accept the practice you put your students in MORE danger as they will have to copy someone else.There is ALWAYS something wrong with practices that needlessly increase danger. In this case, very substantially and only due to LAZINESS AND/OR INCOMPETENCE.
Very well put Peter I completely agree. Same thing with launch spots etc, we had an argument on our UK forum about setting a bad example if launching from a sketchy spot. But if you are experienced and confident in your ability to look after yourself and can handle the situation then why should you be prevented just in case somebody less experienced decides to copy?Peter_Frank wrote:I dont agree, but basically it is the principle I disagree with.RichardM wrote:snip...
There is ALWAYS something wrong with practices that needlessly increase danger. In this case, very substantially and only due to LAZINESS AND/OR INCOMPETENCE.
At the very least, it sets a BAD EXAMPLE which other LAZY and perhaps EVEN MORE INCOMPETENT kiters are liable to attempt.
Richard M.
Malibu Kitesurfing - since 2002
(310) - 430 - KITE (5483)
http://www.MalibuKitesurfing.NET
kfRichard@MalibuKitesurfing.NET
As individuals we are raised to taking care of ourselves, and not act as "lemmings".
Setting a bad example is IMO bad when something is illegal or wrong.
But doing things that less experienced should never do, is IMO not wrong (should we stop making megaloops then ?)
Of course there is a risk that some would attempt things too risky for them, but that will happen anyways for those few.
As said - I dont believe we should all do everything extremely subtle and overly protected ("super safe"), never finding the limits or new boundaries, because it could set a bad example.
I think that every individual can see through most of what is risky and what is not - and the best thing is, that we all talk to each other, and ask each other about things - so everyone will find out what is easy, difficult, and risky and not risky.
Copycats is not really a problem, as we are raised to take care individually, and NOT just do what others do without thinking.
You run a kiteschool, and of course you have a very different "goal" regarding examples - as you are the very first influence on new kitesurfers, so you HAVE to show and tell what is the "safest" way of doing everything, which is the way to do it, agree
But I dont agree that it can be transferred to life in general, after that
Peter
Just like all those people who killed themselves jumping over piers after watching Lewis.......oh wait no one didIt is up to the individual to decide if they are competent enough to do a certain thing. For example I would not launch myself off a cliff with a wing suit just because I saw Jeb Corliss doing it..