Yup riding on ice during a year when the location had to be changed becuase of a crappy winter at a contest that didn't attract many US riders seems like the right time to measure up what kite works best, for all around riding. I can go stupid fast on 4line handle foil kites, but I would not go free ride on one?Kamikuza wrote:Michigan isn't in the US then? Nuts, my geography is really bad.
I recently was out with a new kiter, He can stay up wind jump little airs and is totally safe and needs no help to go kiting anymore.HAMLINDP wrote:The foils I'm talking about are closed cells, but I agree swirling winds suck for any kite!waynepjh wrote:I am an expert kiter and Ozone team rider. I have kited around 200 days a year for over 10 years. My kite was an 2011 ozone foil frenzy. I love foil kites dont get me wrong but there is no way they are as stable as a water kite. There is a time and place for each type of kite and I will always have both!
Have you tried closed cellers (water kites)?
Just wondering (I'm not trying to sound pissy).
Billy B. wrote:
I knew as soon as I responded to your comment it would not go well becuase you have a personal mission to always be right on this forum.
Given your experience with foils AND tubes, it tends to lend more weight your replies than say... PumpiesBilly B. wrote:As always I share my opinion based on my experence. I am not saying I am right or wrong, or this prodect is best or better, just this is what I think or experenced...
I'm curious--just how much skill with a kite & board you need before you're allowed to form your own opinions based on your own experiences and participate in this forum? Is there like a test you have to pass?Billy B. wrote:I would really love to see some video, some results, some credentals that would back up your know it all internet persona with some credability?
Really? Cos I had one do it this week... and I've seen many of a similar design (low-medium AR delta thingy) collapse at the edge of the window, tumbleweed into the powerzone and open again fully powered - whee!Billy B. wrote:Pump up kites hold their shape and can not load and unload from collapsing.
Surely you haven't tried the latest generation of foils.waynepjh wrote:I have tried to fly foils in some pretty gusty wind they collapse and tangle. In the same wind my friend was flying a tube kite with no problems. I had to walk back to the car. Foils can't handle gusty swirly wind. There is no way a foil kite can be as stable as a tube kite. I use both types of kites and they each have there time and place.
When you guys relate a comparing kite experience, please be more specific about what you are talking about.The next day I got to take out the 10m Speed2 in some 15 to gusting over 25knots (briefly over 30K) stormy, choppy/wavy shifty conditions, straight after riding my 10m Torch and the best words to describe it are probably stable, powerful, easy and really forgiving in the gust’s. Again it took a few moments to get used to the differences. But once you do, it will make your inflatable seem more like a toy than a sophisticated flying ‘wing’. Again crashing, re launching, crashing, re launching, crashing with no problems....
The following day we got the really stormy conditions, gusting to over 30 knots and big messy waves. First my 7m Torch then time for the 6m and 8m Phycho4’s. Wow, de-power, big boosting, fast, safe and easy . It wasn’t the day for unhooking but it just made it a fun day. I put it down a few times when fronts would come through and it would get wet and windy. But after every front I launched myself, easily.
On both the Speed3’s and the Phycho4’s I was really impressed how the kites would never collapse or do anything funny whatsoever, even when they are looped. I mean paragliders do loops on their foils and trust their lives to it. You also so don’t need to work the kite as much once you get going.
What kite was Billie referring to? The Psycho1, for example is considered by those who went through the whole evolution of FS kites as the bitchiest of all kites. The most exciting too, for that matter.This kiter doesn't have a little kite so I lent him a flysurfer 8m that I keep around to lend out to people who could use a smaller kite, It was a gift from a flysurfer friend that I have had for a couple years.
On snow.....Ok name them.Kamikuza wrote::
And there IS more than one pro (American pro!) using foils, no matter how you try to marginalize the events... not that it proves anything about the kites!
Great you appreciate the qualities of both kinds!waynepjh wrote:waynepjh wrote:
I have tried to fly foils in some pretty gusty wind they collapse and tangle. In the same wind my friend was flying a tube kite with no problems. I had to walk back to the car. Foils can't handle gusty swirly wind. There is no way a foil kite can be as stable as a tube kite. I use both types of kites and they each have there time and place.
quote from alexrider
"Surely you haven't tried the latest generation of foils.
There is no way a tube kite is as stable as a modern foil."
I have tried and own the latest generation foils. I am speaking from personal experience not here say. The specific experience I was talking about was not wind that was just gusty it was swirling around too. And my foil kite was doing crazy things. My friend on the waterkite was able to keep it flying and get around when my kite was practically going from overpowered to flying into me. Conditions I wouldn't recommend anybody go out in. @ alexrider what do you think can handle turbulence better a paraglider or a hanglider? Do you think that the frame of a water kite helps it keep flying through turbulence? I know that foils can handle big gusts its the turbulence I'm referring to. Believe me I love foils Almost as much as my blimps!
There is sponsored kiter (Wayne) posting their personal ideas about the kites we are talking about and you are quoting articles from other pros???? We get it you like flysurfers, How is it hearsay if Wayne and I have flown the current crop of foil kites from a couple of makers and make comments based on our experances? I personally prefer something else. The kite I put my buddy on was a 2008 pulse 2 I have tried to sell it for years and no one locally wants to buy it, I was letting my friend try it in hopes of selling it... I personally prefer a different kite so I will loan out my foil all day.alexrider wrote: What kite was Billie referring to? The Psycho1, for example is considered by those who went through the whole evolution of FS kites as the bitchiest of all kites. The most exciting too, for that matter.
The opinion people have today relies too much of hear-says, true of false, the stability of foils
Admittedly, foils need more precise tuning to have them fly properly. Even a friend doesn't give away a properly tuned FS, Billie!
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